Originally Posted by alan29:
“Thank God they didn't make him PM.”
“Thank God they didn't make him PM.”
He is self serving and astute, he was brought into Government to leash him, looking rather untrainable.
Boris criticises Saudi Arabia
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He is self serving and astute, he was brought into Government to leash him, looking rather untrainable.
Originally Posted by Glyn W:
“Well, who needs Cabinet Collective Responsibility anyway?”
“Well, who needs Cabinet Collective Responsibility anyway?”
This is extremely embarrassing for the Conservative Government in dealing with Saudi Arabia, however, again highlights our shame in dealing with this inhumane state.
Pffft...he'll be out there kowtowing with a bunch of arms manufacturers next week...that's assuming Liam Fox hasn't booked the last seat on the plane for his pal Adam Werrity 
Originally Posted by James_Orton:
“Is he wrong?”
“Is he wrong?”
Absolutely not. He is completely correct of course. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Originally Posted by alan29:
“Thank God they didn't make him PM.”
“Thank God they didn't make him PM.”
Boris and trump, what a combination
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Has he opposed sales of arms to Saudia Arabia or does he see them as an export opportunity?”
“Has he opposed sales of arms to Saudia Arabia or does he see them as an export opportunity?”
Was just going to mention that!
Theresa May out there being all pally with them too!!
Originally Posted by glasshalffull:
“Pffft...he'll be out there kowtowing with a bunch of arms manufacturers next week...that's assuming Liam Fox hasn't booked the last seat on the plane for his pal Adam Werrity”
“Pffft...he'll be out there kowtowing with a bunch of arms manufacturers next week...that's assuming Liam Fox hasn't booked the last seat on the plane for his pal Adam Werrity
”
Still it brings the Saudi issue to forefront of the British electorate again, regardless of the Boris visit.
A slap in the face for Boris or a knee in the groin?
Quote:
“Thersea May slaps down Boris Johnson after he accuses Saudis of ‘proxy wars’
Downing Street said the Foreign Secretary’s remarks were his own and did not reflect government policy towards Saudi Arabia, one of Britain’s most important and sensitive allies in the Middle East.
“The Foreign Secretary will be in Saudi Arabia on Sunday and has the opportunity to set out the way the UK sees its relationship with Saudi Arabia,” she said.”
“Thersea May slaps down Boris Johnson after he accuses Saudis of ‘proxy wars’
Downing Street said the Foreign Secretary’s remarks were his own and did not reflect government policy towards Saudi Arabia, one of Britain’s most important and sensitive allies in the Middle East.
“The Foreign Secretary will be in Saudi Arabia on Sunday and has the opportunity to set out the way the UK sees its relationship with Saudi Arabia,” she said.”
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“You don't think they would then?”
“You don't think they would then?”
I suspect they would, however Boris is justifying arms sales to Saudi on those grounds
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vernments-view
Pretty silly. Of course Saudi Arabia, as a contender for leading Sunni state, takes a major role in te Sunni-Shia war. Just as Iran is even more behind Shia's combatants everywhere. Iran though has anti-western and anti-Israel ambitions that Saudi Arabia hasn't. Its got the missiles, nuclear programmes and continually exercises its ability to attack the west. And its the power fighting for minority rule in Syria , its responsible for both the Hizbollah threat to israel , and the Iraqi governments's policy on the Sunni that restarted that war, and its behind the Houthi rebellion in Yemen causing the trouble there. . The Saudis are entitled to defend themselves, and take the side of Sunnis being attacked by Shia.
Boris seems to be as unsuitable as he was likely to be as Foreign Secretary. May seems bound to give him a top job - so he can sell the brexit deal to leave voters - but he may be in the wrong job. She could have made Boris minister for brexit, let Davis be chief negotiator, and let Fox go on a world tour for 2 years - to keep him out of the way.
She might have even done a Heath and made Cameron Foreign Secretary, avoided the bull in a china shop, and avoided having sacked Cameron ministers biting her continually.
Pretty silly. Of course Saudi Arabia, as a contender for leading Sunni state, takes a major role in te Sunni-Shia war. Just as Iran is even more behind Shia's combatants everywhere. Iran though has anti-western and anti-Israel ambitions that Saudi Arabia hasn't. Its got the missiles, nuclear programmes and continually exercises its ability to attack the west. And its the power fighting for minority rule in Syria , its responsible for both the Hizbollah threat to israel , and the Iraqi governments's policy on the Sunni that restarted that war, and its behind the Houthi rebellion in Yemen causing the trouble there. . The Saudis are entitled to defend themselves, and take the side of Sunnis being attacked by Shia.
Boris seems to be as unsuitable as he was likely to be as Foreign Secretary. May seems bound to give him a top job - so he can sell the brexit deal to leave voters - but he may be in the wrong job. She could have made Boris minister for brexit, let Davis be chief negotiator, and let Fox go on a world tour for 2 years - to keep him out of the way.
She might have even done a Heath and made Cameron Foreign Secretary, avoided the bull in a china shop, and avoided having sacked Cameron ministers biting her continually.
Anyone seen the gaffer tape?
Slow boat to China for Boris?
Quote:
“When do Boris Johnson's 'gaffes' become a liability for the PM?
It is not so much what Boris Johnson said about the Middle East that raises questions, it is Downing Street's reaction to it.
When a Foreign Secretary cannot be relied upon to get things right about one of the country's closest strategic allies, he becomes a liability to a Prime Minister - and the media starts to wonder if his future is in doubt.”
“When do Boris Johnson's 'gaffes' become a liability for the PM?
It is not so much what Boris Johnson said about the Middle East that raises questions, it is Downing Street's reaction to it.
When a Foreign Secretary cannot be relied upon to get things right about one of the country's closest strategic allies, he becomes a liability to a Prime Minister - and the media starts to wonder if his future is in doubt.”
Slow boat to China for Boris?
Johnson! You are sacked! Security - take away this man's security passes, stripsearch him and escort him off the premises immediately!
Of course though he is right. What the Saudi's are doing in Yemen is absolutely criminal.
Still he is foreign secretary, his job is to maintain relations so we can sell them weapons to blow up hospitals in Yemen.
Still he is foreign secretary, his job is to maintain relations so we can sell them weapons to blow up hospitals in Yemen.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vernments-view
Pretty silly. Of course Saudi Arabia, as a contender for leading Sunni state, takes a major role in te Sunni-Shia war. Just as Iran is even more behind Shia's combatants everywhere. Iran though has anti-western and anti-Israel ambitions that Saudi Arabia hasn't. Its got the missiles, nuclear programmes and continually exercises its ability to attack the west. And its the power fighting for minority rule in Syria , its responsible for both the Hizbollah threat to israel , and the Iraqi governments's policy on the Sunni that restarted that war, and its behind the Houthi rebellion in Yemen causing the trouble there. . The Saudis are entitled to defend themselves, and take the side of Sunnis being attacked by Shia.
Boris seems to be as unsuitable as he was likely to be as Foreign Secretary. May seems bound to give him a top job - so he can sell the brexit deal to leave voters - but he may be in the wrong job. She could have made Boris minister for brexit, let Davis be chief negotiator, and let Fox go on a world tour for 2 years - to keep him out of the way.
She might have even done a Heath and made Cameron Foreign Secretary, avoided the bull in a china shop, and avoided having sacked Cameron ministers biting her continually.”
“https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vernments-view
Pretty silly. Of course Saudi Arabia, as a contender for leading Sunni state, takes a major role in te Sunni-Shia war. Just as Iran is even more behind Shia's combatants everywhere. Iran though has anti-western and anti-Israel ambitions that Saudi Arabia hasn't. Its got the missiles, nuclear programmes and continually exercises its ability to attack the west. And its the power fighting for minority rule in Syria , its responsible for both the Hizbollah threat to israel , and the Iraqi governments's policy on the Sunni that restarted that war, and its behind the Houthi rebellion in Yemen causing the trouble there. . The Saudis are entitled to defend themselves, and take the side of Sunnis being attacked by Shia.
Boris seems to be as unsuitable as he was likely to be as Foreign Secretary. May seems bound to give him a top job - so he can sell the brexit deal to leave voters - but he may be in the wrong job. She could have made Boris minister for brexit, let Davis be chief negotiator, and let Fox go on a world tour for 2 years - to keep him out of the way.
She might have even done a Heath and made Cameron Foreign Secretary, avoided the bull in a china shop, and avoided having sacked Cameron ministers biting her continually.”
Saudi Arabia have effectively been exporting their extreme brand of Islam around the world for years. The existence and rise of ISIS can be traced back to SA, but the monster finally grew out of their control.
It might be terrible timing by Boris Johnson, but I doubt anyone could successfully argue that what he said is anything else but absolutely true.
I always thought that BJ as FS was May's master stroke. Give him some responsibility and he will quickly self implode.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Saudi Arabia have effectively been exporting their extreme brand of Islam around the world for years. The existence and rise of ISIS can be traced back to SA, but the monster finally grew out of their control.
It might be terrible timing by Boris Johnson, but I doubt anyone could successfully argue that what he said is anything else but absolutely true.”
“Saudi Arabia have effectively been exporting their extreme brand of Islam around the world for years. The existence and rise of ISIS can be traced back to SA, but the monster finally grew out of their control.
It might be terrible timing by Boris Johnson, but I doubt anyone could successfully argue that what he said is anything else but absolutely true.”
Would he have said it if he was PM?
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“Would he have said it if he was PM?”
“Would he have said it if he was PM?”
Probably not. We have to sup with the devil sometimes. I remember Robin Cook stating that he would add an "ethical dimension" to our foreign policy. It was well meaning, but would never have worked.
Originally Posted by MidnightFalcon:
“Politician tells the truth shocker.
I can see how this would freak Labour out.”
“Politician tells the truth shocker.
I can see how this would freak Labour out.”
Considering it's only a few days ago that Boris was defending British arms sale to Saudi Arabia it is surprising that he now condemns them for fighting a proxy war with the weapons we've sold to them!
Originally Posted by Parker45:
“Shot down yet again by Mrs May. How long can this clown continue to be Foreign Secretary?”
“Shot down yet again by Mrs May. How long can this clown continue to be Foreign Secretary?”
She needs him to sell Brexit deal to Tory Party faithful who love Boris. He speaks their language!
Given that Boris has spent his life creating lie after lie with people loving him for it I find it ironic that he could lose his job for telling the truth.
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“Given that Boris has spent his life creating lie after lie with people loving him for it I find it ironic that he could lose his job for telling the truth.”
“Given that Boris has spent his life creating lie after lie with people loving him for it I find it ironic that he could lose his job for telling the truth.”
How true.
I guess that's politics for you.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“.. and its behind the Houthi rebellion in Yemen causing the trouble there. . The Saudis are entitled to defend themselves, and take the side of Sunnis being attacked by Shia.”
“.. and its behind the Houthi rebellion in Yemen causing the trouble there. . The Saudis are entitled to defend themselves, and take the side of Sunnis being attacked by Shia.”
Uhuh.. But they don't seem to be doing a very good job of 'defending' themselves in Yemen-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_v9GJlTsg
Box full of S.Korean grenades, explosives, lots of ammunition and cases of unused rocket launchers.. All left for the Houthis. There's quite a few vids on YT showing the same sort of abandoned kit.. But I guess the Saudis can always buy more. Shame they can't control where it ends up after they've abandoned it and fled though.
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