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Thoroughly enjoyed this series, shame it's only 3 episodes, but then good things only come in small doses, and Lucy is very good indeed
. If I'd had her as a teacher I wouldn't have found my history lessons rather boring, I learned more about Henry the 8th and his wives in these three episodes than I did in the entire term we studied the Tudors for in class! Really hope she's back on screen again before too long .(Although, it also helps if the teacher loves dressing up in historical costume for every lesson ).
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Loved it!
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Loved it , let's hope she follows it up with Henry,s daughters
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Me too.
I look forward to everything she does. Long may she continue. All the naysayers should be hung for treason ![]() |
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Perhaps not a good idea to talk about "hung" with Dr Worsley might bring on some double entendres.
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Yes - some History teachers could learn a lot from Lucy. It's incredible what a difference it makes when a teacher is as passionate and engaging as Lucy.
(Although, it also helps if the teacher loves dressing up in historical costume for every lesson ). . My job involves dressing down so I'd relish the chance of being able to dress up and be that character rather than my boring self for a while at least
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I don't believe that Henry was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves. And why would he be? He was 48/49, that is not old, as Lucy Worsely claims. Yes, he was overweight, but that is not always a hindrance to men.
And if he was truly impotent, he would not have married again. And not to a teenager. He was not stupid, but I think he was a man who fell quickly in love, and was somewhat romantic (16th century standard here..) He usually married for love, which is very rare when it comes to kings. In my opinion, Henry had an "unroyal" like approach towards sex. If he wasn't attracted to the woman, he simply could not do it. Anne may have been lovely, and she may have been ugly. We dont know. What we do know, is that Henry didn't find her the least appealing. He was most likely not ready to marry after the death of Jane Seymour. A woman who, by what she gave him and how she died, may have been risen to angelic levels by Henry after her death. |
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I liked it. Lucy is certainly full of knowledge.
I also like two other female historians. I think one of them is named Amanda..? One had a three part documentary of living at home with the Georgians. And the other, a lovely dark haired woman, had a three part documentary about marriages, births and death in the 16th century. Wonderful program. Your country really has the most fantastic history
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I don't believe that Henry was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves. And why would he be? He was 48/49, that is not old, as Lucy Worsely claims. Yes, he was overweight, but that is not always a hindrance to men.
And if he was truly impotent, he would not have married again. And not to a teenager. He was not stupid, but I think he was a man who fell quickly in love, and was somewhat romantic (16th century standard here..) He usually married for love, which is very rare when it comes to kings. In my opinion, Henry had an "unroyal" like approach towards sex. If he wasn't attracted to the woman, he simply could not do it. Anne may have been lovely, and she may have been ugly. We dont know. What we do know, is that Henry didn't find her the least appealing. He was most likely not ready to marry after the death of Jane Seymour. A woman who, by what she gave him and how she died, may have been risen to angelic levels by Henry after her death. |
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Not today it's not, but surely it was back then and reaching almost 50 would be the equivalent of being about 90 now?
Both me and hubby will turn 50 in 2017, and I hope that is true ![]() However, what I wrote about Henry marrying a teenager if he knew he couldn't get it up, still stands. No pun intended ![]() I think Lucy was too kind with Catherine Howard. Making her out to be an innocent victim of Culpeper. Saying she must have been afraid of the King, hence she did what Culpeper wanted. That is, of course one way to interpret Catherine's behaviour, but I do not think it makes much sense if looked through 16th century glasses. She was not innocent when she married the King. Maybe she just liked sex, and was stupid enough to take the risk. After all, she wrote the letter. If that is not idiotic behaviour given Henry's track record with his wives, I don't know what is? Foolish, love struck teenagers is nothing new
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I considered that when I wrote it. But a man without severe health issuses will be able to have a sex life well into his seventies in todays world, wouldn't he?
Both me and hubby will turn 50 in 2017, and I hope that is true ![]() However, what I wrote about Henry marrying a teenager if he knew he couldn't get it up, still stands. No pun intended ![]() I think Lucy was too kind with Catherine Howard. Making her out to be an innocent victim of Culpeper. Saying she must have been afraid of the King, hence she did what Culpeper wanted. That is, of course one way to interpret Catherine's behaviour, but I do not think it makes much sense if looked through 16th century glasses. She was not innocent when she married the King. Maybe she just liked sex, and was stupid enough to take the risk. After all, she wrote the letter. If that is not idiotic behaviour given Henry's track record with his wives, I don't know what is? Foolish, love struck teenagers is nothing new ![]() Not being a man in my seventies I have no idea if you'd still be able to manage it, and the ones I do know I don't even want to think about in that sense . Perhaps Henry couldn't get it up (Anne) but rather than admit it, even to himself, he fixated it in his mind that it was her causing it, and that if he got himself a nice young bit of skirt he could, or convinced himself he could . Though tbh, with all those maids gawping/listening in he'd probably have struggled even if he'd swallowed his own weight in Viagra, talk about off-putting!!![]() ![]()
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Being almost 50, which is well getting on for those times, plus being clinically obese through a rich diet and having a seriously infected wound on your leg........ i imagine would affect your virility pretty bad.
But an attractive teenage girl probably helped make the best of a bad job. |
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First time i've seen this....... not seen this Lucy Warsley before, but found myself being really attracted to her.
Not quite as much as the blondy Dr Suzannah Lipscomb or the hippy chick, dead people expert, Alice Roberts..... but i still would. Enjoyed the program as well. |
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Hung surely? Hanged doesn't look right
'I hung my coat up' not 'I hanged my coat up'Now I've gone over it so much they all look wrong ![]() As in you rode the horse; the horse was ridden. |
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I don't believe that Henry was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves. And why would he be? He was 48/49, that is not old, as Lucy Worsely claims. Yes, he was overweight, but that is not always a hindrance to men.
And if he was truly impotent, he would not have married again. And not to a teenager. He was not stupid, but I think he was a man who fell quickly in love, and was somewhat romantic (16th century standard here..) He usually married for love, which is very rare when it comes to kings. In my opinion, Henry had an "unroyal" like approach towards sex. If he wasn't attracted to the woman, he simply could not do it. Anne may have been lovely, and she may have been ugly. We dont know. What we do know, is that Henry didn't find her the least appealing. He was most likely not ready to marry after the death of Jane Seymour. A woman who, by what she gave him and how she died, may have been risen to angelic levels by Henry after her death. |
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This was good. Lucy Worsley does a good job with shows like this.
Next she should do Ancient Rome, Anceint Greece, and the Stuarts. |
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Thought the whole Henry and his wives story has been done to death but I recorded this anyway to watch over Christmas (always had the option of deleting if the first ep wasn't to my taste). I really enjoyed it, thought it brought enough of a new slant on the oft-told story to make it worthwhile. Never considered that Anne of Cleves might actually be pretty. I've always wondered what actresses must think when they go to audition for the role. Then again. Henry played by Jonathan Rhys Myers probably didn't ring very true in The Tudors!
The cast in the dramatic scenes were a cut above the usual thing. A lot of the locations seemed familiar from Wolf Hall and The Hollow Crown. Lots of "looking out windows onto the garden" scenes too! I often miss Lucy's documentaries the first time around but I've seen a lot of them on BBC4 lately. She's endlessly entertaining. |
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You hung the coat; the coat was hanged.
As in you rode the horse; the horse was ridden. |
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. If I'd had her as a teacher I wouldn't have found my history lessons rather boring, I learned more about Henry the 8th and his wives in these three episodes than I did in the entire term we studied the Tudors for in class! Really hope she's back on screen again before too long
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. Though tbh, with all those maids gawping/listening in he'd probably have struggled even if he'd swallowed his own weight in Viagra, talk about off-putting!!

'I hung my coat up' not 'I hanged my coat up'