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Old 24-12-2016, 15:49
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Thoroughly enjoyed this series, shame it's only 3 episodes, but then good things only come in small doses, and Lucy is very good indeed. If I'd had her as a teacher I wouldn't have found my history lessons rather boring, I learned more about Henry the 8th and his wives in these three episodes than I did in the entire term we studied the Tudors for in class! Really hope she's back on screen again before too long.
Yes - some History teachers could learn a lot from Lucy. It's incredible what a difference it makes when a teacher is as passionate and engaging as Lucy.

(Although, it also helps if the teacher loves dressing up in historical costume for every lesson ).
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:04
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Loved it!
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:23
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Loved it , let's hope she follows it up with Henry,s daughters
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Old 24-12-2016, 19:20
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Me too.

I look forward to everything she does. Long may she continue.

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... hanged for treason.
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Old 24-12-2016, 20:33
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Perhaps not a good idea to talk about "hung" with Dr Worsley might bring on some double entendres.


Yes - some History teachers could learn a lot from Lucy. It's incredible what a difference it makes when a teacher is as passionate and engaging as Lucy.

(Although, it also helps if the teacher loves dressing up in historical costume for every lesson ).
I don't know why some have such a problem with her dressing up, it adds to the programme imo and it's nice to see a presenter willing to join in and have a go. Apart from theatre or TV you don't really get to dress up in any other job so she's lucky to be able to instead of being stuck in the same boring uniform like most people, so I don't blame her for taking the opportunities she has to do so, I would if it were me. My job involves dressing down so I'd relish the chance of being able to dress up and be that character rather than my boring self for a while at least
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Old 25-12-2016, 17:43
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I don't believe that Henry was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves. And why would he be? He was 48/49, that is not old, as Lucy Worsely claims. Yes, he was overweight, but that is not always a hindrance to men.

And if he was truly impotent, he would not have married again. And not to a teenager. He was not stupid, but I think he was a man who fell quickly in love, and was somewhat romantic (16th century standard here..) He usually married for love, which is very rare when it comes to kings.

In my opinion, Henry had an "unroyal" like approach towards sex. If he wasn't attracted to the woman, he simply could not do it.

Anne may have been lovely, and she may have been ugly. We dont know. What we do know, is that Henry didn't find her the least appealing.

He was most likely not ready to marry after the death of Jane Seymour. A woman who, by what she gave him and how she died, may have been risen to angelic levels by Henry after her death.
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Old 25-12-2016, 17:50
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I liked it. Lucy is certainly full of knowledge.
I also like two other female historians. I think one of them is named Amanda..?

One had a three part documentary of living at home with the Georgians. And the other, a lovely dark haired woman, had a three part documentary about marriages, births and death in the 16th century. Wonderful program.

Your country really has the most fantastic history
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Old 25-12-2016, 19:13
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I don't believe that Henry was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves. And why would he be? He was 48/49, that is not old, as Lucy Worsely claims. Yes, he was overweight, but that is not always a hindrance to men.

And if he was truly impotent, he would not have married again. And not to a teenager. He was not stupid, but I think he was a man who fell quickly in love, and was somewhat romantic (16th century standard here..) He usually married for love, which is very rare when it comes to kings.

In my opinion, Henry had an "unroyal" like approach towards sex. If he wasn't attracted to the woman, he simply could not do it.

Anne may have been lovely, and she may have been ugly. We dont know. What we do know, is that Henry didn't find her the least appealing.

He was most likely not ready to marry after the death of Jane Seymour. A woman who, by what she gave him and how she died, may have been risen to angelic levels by Henry after her death.
Not today it's not, but surely it was back then and reaching almost 50 would be the equivalent of being about 90 now?
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:50
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Not today it's not, but surely it was back then and reaching almost 50 would be the equivalent of being about 90 now?
I considered that when I wrote it. But a man without severe health issuses will be able to have a sex life well into his seventies in todays world, wouldn't he?

Both me and hubby will turn 50 in 2017, and I hope that is true

However, what I wrote about Henry marrying a teenager if he knew he couldn't get it up, still stands. No pun intended

I think Lucy was too kind with Catherine Howard. Making her out to be an innocent victim of Culpeper. Saying she must have been afraid of the King, hence she did what Culpeper wanted. That is, of course one way to interpret Catherine's behaviour, but I do not think it makes much sense if looked through 16th century glasses.

She was not innocent when she married the King. Maybe she just liked sex, and was stupid enough to take the risk. After all, she wrote the letter. If that is not idiotic behaviour given Henry's track record with his wives, I don't know what is?

Foolish, love struck teenagers is nothing new
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Old 25-12-2016, 22:35
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I considered that when I wrote it. But a man without severe health issuses will be able to have a sex life well into his seventies in todays world, wouldn't he?

Both me and hubby will turn 50 in 2017, and I hope that is true

However, what I wrote about Henry marrying a teenager if he knew he couldn't get it up, still stands. No pun intended

I think Lucy was too kind with Catherine Howard. Making her out to be an innocent victim of Culpeper. Saying she must have been afraid of the King, hence she did what Culpeper wanted. That is, of course one way to interpret Catherine's behaviour, but I do not think it makes much sense if looked through 16th century glasses.

She was not innocent when she married the King. Maybe she just liked sex, and was stupid enough to take the risk. After all, she wrote the letter. If that is not idiotic behaviour given Henry's track record with his wives, I don't know what is?

Foolish, love struck teenagers is nothing new
Not being a man in my seventies I have no idea if you'd still be able to manage it, and the ones I do know I don't even want to think about in that sense.

Perhaps Henry couldn't get it up (Anne) but rather than admit it, even to himself, he fixated it in his mind that it was her causing it, and that if he got himself a nice young bit of skirt he could, or convinced himself he could. Though tbh, with all those maids gawping/listening in he'd probably have struggled even if he'd swallowed his own weight in Viagra, talk about off-putting!!
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Old 25-12-2016, 22:55
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Being almost 50, which is well getting on for those times, plus being clinically obese through a rich diet and having a seriously infected wound on your leg........ i imagine would affect your virility pretty bad.
But an attractive teenage girl probably helped make the best of a bad job.
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:10
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First time i've seen this....... not seen this Lucy Warsley before, but found myself being really attracted to her.
Not quite as much as the blondy Dr Suzannah Lipscomb or the hippy chick, dead people expert, Alice Roberts..... but i still would.

Enjoyed the program as well.
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:36
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Hung surely? Hanged doesn't look right 'I hung my coat up' not 'I hanged my coat up'
Now I've gone over it so much they all look wrong
You hung the coat; the coat was hanged.
As in you rode the horse; the horse was ridden.
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Old 25-12-2016, 23:51
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I don't believe that Henry was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves. And why would he be? He was 48/49, that is not old, as Lucy Worsely claims. Yes, he was overweight, but that is not always a hindrance to men.

And if he was truly impotent, he would not have married again. And not to a teenager. He was not stupid, but I think he was a man who fell quickly in love, and was somewhat romantic (16th century standard here..) He usually married for love, which is very rare when it comes to kings.

In my opinion, Henry had an "unroyal" like approach towards sex. If he wasn't attracted to the woman, he simply could not do it.

Anne may have been lovely, and she may have been ugly. We dont know. What we do know, is that Henry didn't find her the least appealing.

He was most likely not ready to marry after the death of Jane Seymour. A woman who, by what she gave him and how she died, may have been risen to angelic levels by Henry after her death.
There was no test for impotency except having intercourse. Knowledge of such matters was patchy in those days and I can't imagine Henry thinking that he was at fault, as usual it would be blamed on the woman (or women).
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:17
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This was good. Lucy Worsley does a good job with shows like this.

Next she should do Ancient Rome, Anceint Greece, and the Stuarts.
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:58
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Thought the whole Henry and his wives story has been done to death but I recorded this anyway to watch over Christmas (always had the option of deleting if the first ep wasn't to my taste). I really enjoyed it, thought it brought enough of a new slant on the oft-told story to make it worthwhile. Never considered that Anne of Cleves might actually be pretty. I've always wondered what actresses must think when they go to audition for the role. Then again. Henry played by Jonathan Rhys Myers probably didn't ring very true in The Tudors!

The cast in the dramatic scenes were a cut above the usual thing. A lot of the locations seemed familiar from Wolf Hall and The Hollow Crown. Lots of "looking out windows onto the garden" scenes too!

I often miss Lucy's documentaries the first time around but I've seen a lot of them on BBC4 lately. She's endlessly entertaining.
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Old 27-12-2016, 18:34
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You hung the coat; the coat was hanged.
As in you rode the horse; the horse was ridden.
No, the coat was hung. The only time hanged is ever used is when the meaning is to put to death by hanging.
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