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Old 08-12-2016, 00:27
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So unnecessary even a few Tory MP's use it.

I have accepted the result like most Remain supporters and want a deal to unite the country. Nothing wrong in questioning the actions of the government and having open debates and votes in parliament.

I don't want a 2nd referendum or MP's to try and stop the exit from the EU happening. However I still want the UK to be part of a partnership with the EU which benefits both parties.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:30
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So unnecessary even a few Tory MP's use it.

I have accepted the result like most Remain supporters and want a deal to unite the country. Nothing wrong in questioning the actions of the government and having open debates and votes in parliament.

I don't want a 2nd referendum or MP's to try and stop the exit from the EU happening. However I still want the UK to be part of a partnership with the EU which benefits both parties.

Could not agree more, sadly the only effect that your well put comment will have is to encourage more of the same from those who use the term.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:39
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Name calling can be a bit tiresome I agree.
However lets no forget that pendulum swings both ways though and some of the things brexiteers have been called are considerably worse than remoaner.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:48
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It's an ironic term because Brexiters have got what they want and are still angry and act as if they have lost. They're the moaners!
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:49
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Name calling can be a bit tiresome I agree.
However lets no forget that pendulum swings both ways though and some of the things brexiteers have been called are considerably worse than remoaner.
I agree. The referendum got way too personal at times and that may damage the country more then the result itself.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:50
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"Remoaners", noun: those who voted to remain in the EU and consequently moan incessantly that they lost.

It's perfect !

It'll probably make it into OED eventually.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:58
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"Remoaners", noun: those who voted to remain in the EU and consequently moan incessantly that they lost.

It's perfect !

It'll probably make it into OED eventually.
That's the problem it should not have been about winning or losing, the debate became too personal and therefore became a bad debate.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:09
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That's the problem it should not have been about winning or losing, the debate became too personal and therefore became a bad debate.
Yes, turning it into an insult is very lazy. It should be possible to debate anyone without having a dig at them with a derogatory term to describe them.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:25
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Could not agree more, sadly the only effect that your well put comment will have is to encourage more of the same from those who use the term.
Seconded, the remain side lost, 99% of people who voted to remain are now being tarred by the remoaner nickname because of a very vocal but few crybabies.

It is in the best interests to make Brexit work for all and id be happy to see Labour being involved in the negotiations as its in their best interests to get a great deal otherwise its meltdown in the Northern strongholds.

I was warned about you OHG, that you were not accepting or for compromise but having read a few of your posts, even though politically we are polar opposites I can see someone who understands the issues and is passionate about their political beliefs, you,I the OP and the vast majority of remain supporters are optimistic for Brexit to be the best deal for all of us.

The petty insult self harmer used to insult Brexit supporters by a flawed individual on DS is another thing that really winds me up, especially as I have self harmed in the past.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:49
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Seconded, the remain side lost, 99% of people who voted to remain are now being tarred by the remoaner nickname because of a very vocal but few crybabies.

It is in the best interests to make Brexit work for all and id be happy to see Labour being involved in the negotiations as its in their best interests to get a great deal otherwise its meltdown in the Northern strongholds.

I was warned about you OHG, that you were not accepting or for compromise but having read a few of your posts, even though politically we are polar opposites I can see someone who understands the issues and is passionate about their political beliefs, you,I the OP and the vast majority of remain supporters are optimistic for Brexit to be the best deal for all of us.

The petty insult self harmer used to insult Brexit supporters by a flawed individual on DS is another thing that really winds me up, especially as I have self harmed in the past.
Thanks, I voted remain and was sad to see the result, but as I have always said I support the democratic will of the people,and certainly would not support any call for another referendum no matter where it came from, at least not without a damn good reason (such as the discovery of extensive fraud for example) I don't have to LIKE it, it was the same with the general election result too.

there does seem to be an element who seem to believe that if you vote in a way that does not win, then you are supposed to just quietly go away and leave them to it, clearly they have no understanding of the concept of parliamentary democracy or of freedom of speech.

To take this strange 'logic' to it's extreme it would seem that once an election (or referendum) is won, the "shut up you lost 'bremoaner' so get over it" mob, seem to think that all opposition parties/voices should disband and step aside to allow the 'victors' a free hand until the next election.

A very important part of living in a free democracy that some would do well to remember is that the very essence of 'freedom' means people have the right not to agree with you, and to say as much.
the alternative is certainly not 'freedom'
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:54
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I'm not keen on it either. As soon as I hear someone use it I tend to disregard what they say. Those who use it tend to be moaning themselves about people having a different opinion. Of course if Leave had lost they would all just be quiet. Even Farage said before the ref that 52/48 would be cause to continue his campaign. Getting his moaning/grievances in early in case Leave lost.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:24
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Thanks, I voted remain and was sad to see the result, but as I have always said I support the democratic will of the people,and certainly would not support any call for another referendum no matter where it came from, at least not without a damn good reason (such as the discovery of extensive fraud for example) I don't have to LIKE it, it was the same with the general election result too.

there does seem to be an element who seem to believe that if you vote in a way that does not win, then you are supposed to just quietly go away and leave them to it, clearly they have no understanding of the concept of parliamentary democracy or of freedom of speech.

To take this strange 'logic' to it's extreme it would seem that once an election (or referendum) is won, the "shut up you lost 'bremoaner' so get over it" mob, seem to think that all opposition parties/voices should disband and step aside to allow the 'victors' a free hand until the next election.

A very important part of living in a free democracy that some would do well to remember is that the very essence of 'freedom' means people have the right not to agree with you, and to say as much.
the alternative is certainly not 'freedom'
Sadly there a core of those who voted Brexit who appear to think the vote on 23rd June brought in a dictatorship. You've got a load of them on DM commentary demanding that the MP's who voted against article 50 be sacked. Bizarre.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:31
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I find it a very useful term as it is use by those that are best ignored.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:02
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I find it a very useful term as it is use by those that are best ignored.
I agree
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:14
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So unnecessary even a few Tory MP's use it.
As well as 'rightie', 'leftie' 'brexiter' - as well as all the other short words for any group which does not agree with a persons stance. It is a cheap, and not very pleasant way of marginalising an opponent rather than addressing the points made.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:19
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Yes, turning it into an insult is very lazy. It should be possible to debate anyone without having a dig at them with a derogatory term to describe them.
There are remainers - the majority of people who voted remain and accept the democratic result.

And there are those who don't accept the democratic result and are seeking to overturn it, delay its implementation using the courts or Lords if necessary and want a second referendum and a third until they get the result they want. These are remoaners.

Remoaners is quite a polite term for the latter!
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:28
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There are remainers - the majority of people who voted remain and accept the democratic result.

And there are those who don't accept the democratic result and are seeking to overturn it, delay its implementation using the courts or Lords if necessary and want a second referendum and a third until they get the result they want. These are remoaners.

Remoaners is quite a polite term for the latter!
Has anyone actually suggested a third referendum?
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:29
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So unnecessary even a few Tory MP's use it.

I have accepted the result like most Remain supporters and want a deal to unite the country. Nothing wrong in questioning the actions of the government and having open debates and votes in parliament.

I don't want a 2nd referendum or MP's to try and stop the exit from the EU happening. However I still want the UK to be part of a partnership with the EU which benefits both parties.
And I dislike the label that as a brexiteer I am a racist, gullible, naive fool who had no idea what I was voting for. We all have our crosses to bear.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:33
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I find it a very useful term as it is use by those that are best ignored.
I suggest we ignore the type of person the term "Remoaner" was aptly coined to describe.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:34
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Has anyone actually suggested a third referendum?
I expect if they lost the second one they would want us to keep voting - it's the EU way.

Jacob Rees Mogg made an excellent speech yesterday which explains the position very effectively!

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOf...434432/video/1

As he puts it. well. Time they stopped 'respecting' the vote of the public on 23 June in their patronising and condescending tone and obeyed it!
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:36
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If everyone who had voted remain had said after the referendum that they accepted the result, and wanted to work together with leavers for the best deal for the country, the term remoaner would never have been coined.

If they had put their case for, say, staying in the single market, leavers would have listened and agreed on compromise.

Instead there was panic, insult and accusations.

Some people on here even now seem to think the referendum result shouldn't be accepted!

Everyone is entitled to their view, and all views should be represented in a democracy. However, having a view of "I don't like this, so it should be stopped" is worthy of a bit of mickey-taking, don't you think?

I also don't think remainers should cease to be critical of the actions of Government. As I leaver, I expect to be very critical, and very vocal about it, in the coming months/years - just as I have in the past.

I have never called anyone a remoaner, btw.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:38
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I find it a very useful term as it is use by those that are best ignored.
yet "Brexiter" is an acceptable term then, for someone who happened to have a different political outlook to yourself?

how's about this.... we're all VOTERS! we voted, we made our democratic choice, and the result is final - regardless of whether you voted to remain or leave, it's over, the next step is to commit to the negotiations for HOW we leave and what our terms are post-Brexit!

that is all we must focus on now, together! as far as I'm concerned, anyone now saying "I never voted for it, so I won't help" is basically saying "I didn't get what I wanted, so I'm going to go home and cry about it!"
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:49
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It is in the best interests to make Brexit work for all and id be happy to see Labour being involved in the negotiations as its in their best interests to get a great deal otherwise its meltdown in the Northern strongholds.
So if the Tory Brexiters mess up the negotiations this will lead to the opposition going into meltdown?

Sums the country up at the moment.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:53
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that is all we must focus on now, together! as far as I'm concerned, anyone now saying "I never voted for it, so I won't help" is basically saying "I didn't get what I wanted, so I'm going to go home and cry about it!"
You mean like the leave supporters who have been so helpful in trying to make membership of the EU work over the years?

My heart bleeds.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:11
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yet "Brexiter" is an acceptable term then, for someone who happened to have a different political outlook to yourself?
Yes, because it's not derogatory. If the term 'Brexshitter' were employed with the same level of gay abandon that 'Remoaner' is, you might think it a bit juvenile.
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