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Old 08-12-2016, 16:22
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So unnecessary even a few Tory MP's use it.

I have accepted the result like most Remain supporters and want a deal to unite the country. Nothing wrong in questioning the actions of the government and having open debates and votes in parliament.

I don't want a 2nd referendum or MP's to try and stop the exit from the EU happening. However I still want the UK to be part of a partnership with the EU which benefits both parties.
That sums up my position as well, it would have been a damn sight easier to stay in the EU. But a majority voted to leave and I just have to suck it up.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:30
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"Remoaners", noun: those who voted to remain in the EU and consequently moan incessantly that they lost.

It's perfect !

It'll probably make it into OED eventually.
Except they don't moan about having lost. The sad irony is that brexiters spend most of their time moaning about the fact that remainers moan. This 'moaning' on the part of remainers generally consists of a proven argument that brexiters refuse to admit exists even although their own fearless leaders have acknowledged. it
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:33
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If you don't want to be called a moaner, as in remainer or Minnie, don't be one.

If that's the worse thing you've ever been called, you've led a sheltered life; think yourself lucky.
Even if someone has a valid point about the governments negotiating position or lack of it. A moaner is not somebody who wants there to be as less disruption as possible.

Its a term which is being used to shut down legitimate concerns and it should not be used by politicians.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:42
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Even if someone has a valid point about the governments negotiating position or lack of it. A moaner is not somebody who wants there to be as less disruption as possible.

Its a term which is being used to shut down legitimate concerns and it should not be used by politicians.
Voicing legitimate concerns is not moaning. Surely we all have those, leave or remain?

Moaning is endlessly repeating that the referendum should be all but ignored for some reason or other.

If this forum is anything to go by, far from being shut down, remainers never shut up.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:44
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And I dislike the label that as a brexiteer I am a racist, gullible, naive fool who had no idea what I was voting for. We all have our crosses to bear.
Exactly - the name calling is childish.
What is important is certain companies are heading for bankruptcy. Capita PLC, today's share price dropped like a stone to £4.81 & it still seems to be falling - 2 weeks ago, it was £6 & 6 months ago, over £10.
These are the sort of firms that will be hit hard by Brexit - if you have shares in them, I suggest you get what you can now - before trading is suspended.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:46
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Could not agree more, sadly the only effect that your well put comment will have is to encourage more of the same from those who use the term.
I never use it. I use Remnant.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:52
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Voicing legitimate concerns is not moaning. Surely we all have those, leave or remain?

Moaning is endlessly repeating that the referendum should be all but ignored for some reason or other.

If this forum is anything to go by, far from being shut down, remainers never shut up.
I have never said that.

Also I think people don't want the country to be short changed. I have concerns that may happen.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:55
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Just embrace it Remainers. We know Brexiteers are dictators. They aren't interested in any point of view which contradicts their extremist views. They have forgotten that we live in a representative democracy whereby the views of minorities are listened to and respected and adopted (partly) into policy. The fact that we are robustly challenging this Brexit nonsense is democracy in action. Are us Remainers going anywhere? No we are not.
Awwww but some of you promised.
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:57
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And I dislike the label that as a brexiteer I am a racist, gullible, naive fool who had no idea what I was voting for. We all have our crosses to bear.
I think the correct term for that is a Bracist not Brexiteer
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Old 08-12-2016, 16:57
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You don't think the leavers would have been demanding more had they lost?

I am actually pleased in some ways that it was a leave vote, because it shuts you lot up. Once the dust settles we can get on with pointing the finger at what is actually holding this country back, rather than blaming the boogeyman in Brussels for anything and everything.
lol, Granny just nailed you.
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:02
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But we're not discussing the term 'moan'. We're discussing the term 'Remoaner' which is derogatory, as is 'a moaning Minnie'.
Do you have a preference?
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:06
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Do you have a preference?
Nah. It's all a bit childish for me, personally.
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:08
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Exactly - the name calling is childish.
What is important is certain companies are heading for bankruptcy. Capita PLC, today's share price dropped like a stone to £4.81 & it still seems to be falling - 2 weeks ago, it was £6 & 6 months ago, over £10.
These are the sort of firms that will be hit hard by Brexit - if you have shares in them, I suggest you get what you can now - before trading is suspended.
Ah yes, the company also known as Crapita who've been caught out and fined so many times.
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:21
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Eurosceptics have had denigrating labels slapped on them for years.

"Racist"
"Xenophobes"
"Little Englanders"
"Deluded"
"Thick"
"Uneducated"
"Self harmers"
"Bigots"

The list is endless. Now they are being asked to "respect" the self-same fanatics that have been heaping endless vitriol on them since the result came in?

I voted remain, I accept the result and I accept that most leavers voted with valid concerns in mind and for what they saw as the best interests of the country.

The "remoaners", as opposed to millions of remainers who have accepted the democratic result and moved on, are reaping what they have sown.

Respect is a two way street.
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:35
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It isn't an insult. Just a combination of remainer and moaner. Just as Britain and exit is combined to Brexit. If you wanted to remain, and you have been moaning a lot about the result, you are a Remoaner. Just a short hand description of what you are.
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:39
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It isn't an insult. Just a combination of remainer and moaner. Just as Britain and exit is combined to Brexit. If you wanted to remain, and you have been moaning a lot about the result, you are a Remoaner. Just a short hand description of what you are.
'Remoaner' is a perjorative term in its only given definition. Perjorative terms are derogatory. Or an insult, if you prefer.
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Old 08-12-2016, 17:50
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I quite like it as it avoids wasting time on pointless arguments. If someone starts banging on about remoaners, SJWs, snowflakes, etc. it's a good indication that it's probably better to walk away and let them rant at someone else. And they always do.
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Old 08-12-2016, 18:50
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It isn't an insult. Just a combination of remainer and moaner. Just as Britain and exit is combined to Brexit. If you wanted to remain, and you have been moaning a lot about the result, you are a Remoaner. Just a short hand description of what you are.
As soon as someone says they are concerned that the country will be worse off out of the EU they are labelled a Remoaner and told to respect the will of the people, instead of being told why the country will be better off after Brexit. It's a textbook straw man, because it invents an imaginary character against whom to argue rather than arguing against the real concerns of real people.
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Old 08-12-2016, 18:50
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So unnecessary even a few Tory MP's use it.

I have accepted the result like most Remain supporters and want a deal to unite the country. Nothing wrong in questioning the actions of the government and having open debates and votes in parliament.

I don't want a 2nd referendum or MP's to try and stop the exit from the EU happening. However I still want the UK to be part of a partnership with the EU which benefits both parties.
Unfortunately not all the remainers have your attitude. If they did then whoever first said the word would never have said it so the only people to blame are the remo.... I mean hard core remainers.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:11
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Eurosceptics have had denigrating labels slapped on them for years.

"Racist"
"Xenophobes"
"Little Englanders"
"Deluded"
"Thick"
"Uneducated"
"Self harmers"
"Bigots"

The list is endless. Now they are being asked to "respect" the self-same fanatics that have been heaping endless vitriol on them since the result came in?

I voted remain, I accept the result and I accept that most leavers voted with valid concerns in mind and for what they saw as the best interests of the country.

The "remoaners", as opposed to millions of remainers who have accepted the democratic result and moved on, are reaping what they have sown.

Respect is a two way street.
Great post. I suspect that you and I would find that most of the 'extreme wing' of the Remoaners, who undoubtedly don't represent the pragmatic great majority of those who voted Remain, are actually people who don't cope well with any significant change in their real lives.
They have somehow translated the referendum result into a personal slight and, by its very nature of being on-going change, feel all the more anxious.
At this stage it doesn't matter how many positive aspects or opportunities you put in front of them, they are stuck in a version of chanting "Four legs good, two legs bad!".
The only thing we can do is let time take us the other side of this, somehow the country will find a new route and it's up to all of us to make it work. Perhaps I should say most of us make it work, as usual we'll just have to drag the semi-pro malcontents with us.
It's the way of the world.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:22
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As soon as someone says they are concerned that the country will be worse off out of the EU they are labelled a Remoaner and told to respect the will of the people, instead of being told why the country will be better off after Brexit. It's a textbook straw man, because it invents an imaginary character against whom to argue rather than arguing against the real concerns of real people.
Ah the real concerns of real people, you mean the real concerns expressed for years by real people and ignored by the main political parties. That's why the remain side lost, because it's protagonists weren't listening.

Somehow listening to the moans of those who at best turned a deaf ear to those real concerns and at worst insulted those real people with the usual list of racist/etc is not high on my agenda.

Don't like the term remoaner, then stop moaning then.

I do of course realise there most people who voted remain haven't bean moaning, that's why I wouldn't use it for anyone but moaners, if I used the term at all.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:33
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well given that we never voted to join the EU either, I fail to understand the logic of your argument.....

I have lost jobs thanks to EU membership - I was made redundant when a company I worked for moved their operations across to Poland, because it was cheaper to employ staff there.

I have seen friends and family members lose their own jobs, what you might consider "secure" jobs, as part of a redundancy process designed purely to lay off "expensive" UK-born workers in favour of cheaper, European labour who were happy to work for the minimum wage. A friend who worked in the HR department stated that the company predicted their annual wage bill would drop by at up to a quarter over 5 years, by revolving staff in/out on short-term contracts, and re-hiring at the minimum wage to keep payments low.

Did any of those people willingly vote to enter into such a farcical situation?
...and us leaving the EU will make us LESS attractive to big business. Expect more job loses and more companies moving to Europe if/when we leave.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:38
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Eurosceptics have had denigrating labels slapped on them for years.

"Racist"
"Xenophobes"
"Little Englanders"
"Deluded"
"Thick"
"Uneducated"
"Self harmers"
"Bigots"

The list is endless. Now they are being asked to "respect" the self-same fanatics that have been heaping endless vitriol on them since the result came in?

I voted remain, I accept the result and I accept that most leavers voted with valid concerns in mind and for what they saw as the best interests of the country.

The "remoaners", as opposed to millions of remainers who have accepted the democratic result and moved on, are reaping what they have sown.

Respect is a two way street.
You missed out "Old and sure to die soon".
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:39
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You missed out "Old and sure to die soon".
And "knuckle draggers"... at scraping 5ft tall I could just be one if my arms weren't also short.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:43
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Name calling can be a bit tiresome I agree.
However lets no forget that pendulum swings both ways though and some of the things brexiteers have been called are considerably worse than remoaner.
Wasn't it "Eurosceptic" the go to for those who couldn;t accept the previous referendum.... it's not even in the same ball park.
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