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After Brexit: How Do We Go About Uniting The Nation?
So we are leaving the EU, that's pretty clear, but the divides and division it's caused need to be healed as some of the stuff has been horrific from both sides.. telling Polish people who make a great contribution to this country to "go home" is disgusting and I believe most Leave voters think the same. In the same vain, it is unsavoury how Remain voters accuse all Leave voters of being xenophobes, racists and uneducated thickos.
So instead of focusing too much on the past and decision, how do we go about healing people? Well the first thing I think we need to do is guarantee the EU citizens already living in this country the right to remain here.. I think that would take the morale high ground against the EU and show that we still embrace them, and don't tolerate hate crimes we are all equal. And that will give some comfort to the EU folk and families who are scared about the family. I also think we need to crackdown on things said on Twitter and Facebook, and subject people to the same law online as they would face in the street. And lastly, I'd make sure we still look an open nation but really hammer the point over that we are not just that with the EU, but the whole World. We are proud to be British and want to keep our identity which makes us unique, but we are not going backwards but going forward. Do lectures in schools etc to teach the next generation. So, how would you go about this very difficult and sensitive aftermath position of healing and uniting the nation? |
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As Hilary Benn said in Parliament the government needs to stop with its devisive language and feeding the rabid press.
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
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I don't suppose Wales or NI want to leave the UK at the moment, but if they did we couldn't really stop them anyway.
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We know Scotland doesn't want to. They had a referendum on it.
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I've no idea how we unite the nation. This division isn't new. It's being thought of as a recent division, but it isn't. This division about Europe is decades old. It's just that as long as the status quo held sway the grumbling discontent about Europe was simply dismissed, pushed aside, ignored by the political and wider establishment - which of course is partly how we have ended up in this mess.
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Well, they didn't want to in 2014. Things might be different now!
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How are Scotland allowed to change their mind about the referendum result and have another one but the UK one is set in stone and is irreversible?
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The current generations won't unite again unless we do better outside of the EU than we would have done inside. Anything else and people will just blame each other.
I felt we were doing really well as a country, and it's all been messed up, we will be fine of course but not as wealthy as we could have been. That's my opinion of course, and I'd love to be proven wrong. |
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OP perhaps you should take a long look at yourself if you are genuine about uniting the nation, as you have posted numerous posts insulting those who are concerned about the ramifications of Brexit.
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
Although I voted remain I literally changed my mind in the last two weeks and only because of the distict flirtation of the leave campaign with far right rascits to get the result, bad and dangerous politics. These types will not easily be put back on the leash. However, I believe the op to be disingenuous with their intentions.... |
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So we are leaving the EU, that's pretty clear, but the divides and division it's caused need to be healed as some of the stuff has been horrific from both sides.. telling Polish people who make a great contribution to this country to "go home" is disgusting and I believe most Leave voters think the same. In the same vain, it is unsavoury how Remain voters accuse all Leave voters of being xenophobes, racists and uneducated thickos.
So instead of focusing too much on the past and decision, how do we go about healing people? Well the first thing I think we need to do is guarantee the EU citizens already living in this country the right to remain here.. I think that would take the morale high ground against the EU and show that we still embrace them, and don't tolerate hate crimes we are all equal. And that will give some comfort to the EU folk and families who are scared about the family. I also think we need to crackdown on things said on Twitter and Facebook, and subject people to the same law online as they would face in the street. And lastly, I'd make sure we still look an open nation but really hammer the point over that we are not just that with the EU, but the whole World. We are proud to be British and want to keep our identity which makes us unique, but we are not going backwards but going forward. Do lectures in schools etc to teach the next generation. So, how would you go about this very difficult and sensitive aftermath position of healing and uniting the nation? |
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In the same way as in 1975 onwards when we voted to join against the wishes of many. We should just get on with it.
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This isn't true. In 1975 The UK voted to stay in the EEC not join. The UK had already joined in 1973.
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On the general point- I agree with the poster who said that we've always had divisions in the country and I don't think they're any worse because of the referendum. Actually I think that politics is less divisive these days than what it used to be - people vent their anger on the internet but in real life I don't see much evidence of social tension. Labour might be trying to rerun the 1980s but people seem to be more interested in Starbucks and Facebook than the bedroom tax and local government cuts.
On the point of EU citizens I entirely agree that we should just announce a cut off date from which everyone will be grant ed indefinite right to remain and a fast track route to a UK passport. I know that there's a whole bargaining process going on with our expats but it's a phoney war - no one is going to start deporting people who came to a country legally. If you want to see real social divide and battles on the street then that would be a good way to start it. |
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So we are leaving the EU, that's pretty clear, but the divides and division it's caused need to be healed as some of the stuff has been horrific from both sides..
During the Scottish referendum much play was of by voting no to being independent they'd remain in the EU. At the General Election Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP, to send a message to the government they want to be heard, that they are fed up being ignored. In the EU referendum Scotland voted to remain but to listen to the Prime Minister she only talks of the mandate from 17.5m, thus Scotland yet again finds itself ignored. |
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OP perhaps you should take a long look at yourself if you are genuine about uniting the nation, as you have posted numerous posts insulting those who are concerned about the ramifications of Brexit.
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I don't come across any division except by Remnants on here.
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It has been suggested that Leaving the EU could well lead to the break up of the UK because it will be Westminster that decides where money goes rather than the EU. UK governments tend to distribute money with an eye on votes.
During the Scottish referendum much play was of by voting no to being independent they'd remain in the EU. At the General Election Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP, to send a message to the government they want to be heard, that they are fed up being ignored. In the EU referendum Scotland voted to remain but to listen to the Prime Minister she only talks of the mandate from 17.5m, thus Scotland yet again finds itself ignored. Why is this something that people insist on ignoring. |
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I don't come across any division except by Remnants on here.
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Part of that 17.5 million are in Scotland. In wasn't an Independent Nation vote it was a UK vote.
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Scotland has voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain.
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
So maybe there is little real support for what you suggest! The vast majority of people are far more pro UK then pro the EU. |
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I have no desire to heal the wounds.
I simply want the leave side to either fix this problem without breaking the country, or prepare for the backlash. |
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Wales voted to leave the EU and the largest party in NI backs Brexit and since 23 June Support for independence in Scotland has fallen substantially.
So maybe there is little real support for what you suggest! The vast majority of people are far more pro UK then pro the EU. |
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