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Old 08-12-2016, 03:18
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So we are leaving the EU, that's pretty clear, but the divides and division it's caused need to be healed as some of the stuff has been horrific from both sides.. telling Polish people who make a great contribution to this country to "go home" is disgusting and I believe most Leave voters think the same. In the same vain, it is unsavoury how Remain voters accuse all Leave voters of being xenophobes, racists and uneducated thickos.

So instead of focusing too much on the past and decision, how do we go about healing people?

Well the first thing I think we need to do is guarantee the EU citizens already living in this country the right to remain here.. I think that would take the morale high ground against the EU and show that we still embrace them, and don't tolerate hate crimes we are all equal. And that will give some comfort to the EU folk and families who are scared about the family.

I also think we need to crackdown on things said on Twitter and Facebook, and subject people to the same law online as they would face in the street.

And lastly, I'd make sure we still look an open nation but really hammer the point over that we are not just that with the EU, but the whole World. We are proud to be British and want to keep our identity which makes us unique, but we are not going backwards but going forward. Do lectures in schools etc to teach the next generation.

So, how would you go about this very difficult and sensitive aftermath position of healing and uniting the nation?
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Old 08-12-2016, 03:30
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As Hilary Benn said in Parliament the government needs to stop with its devisive language and feeding the rabid press.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:32
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:01
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
I don't suppose Wales or NI want to leave the UK at the moment, but if they did we couldn't really stop them anyway.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:11
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I don't suppose Wales or NI want to leave the UK at the moment, but if they did we couldn't really stop them anyway.
We know Scotland doesn't want to. They had a referendum on it.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:14
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We know Scotland doesn't want to. They had a referendum on it.
Well, they didn't want to in 2014. Things might be different now!
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:21
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I've no idea how we unite the nation. This division isn't new. It's being thought of as a recent division, but it isn't. This division about Europe is decades old. It's just that as long as the status quo held sway the grumbling discontent about Europe was simply dismissed, pushed aside, ignored by the political and wider establishment - which of course is partly how we have ended up in this mess.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:23
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Well, they didn't want to in 2014. Things might be different now!
How are Scotland allowed to change their mind about the referendum result and have another one but the UK one is set in stone and is irreversible?
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:37
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How are Scotland allowed to change their mind about the referendum result and have another one but the UK one is set in stone and is irreversible?
If Scotland had voted to leave the UK, that also would be irreversible. Once you're out, you're out.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:46
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The current generations won't unite again unless we do better outside of the EU than we would have done inside. Anything else and people will just blame each other.

I felt we were doing really well as a country, and it's all been messed up, we will be fine of course but not as wealthy as we could have been.

That's my opinion of course, and I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:56
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OP perhaps you should take a long look at yourself if you are genuine about uniting the nation, as you have posted numerous posts insulting those who are concerned about the ramifications of Brexit.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:16
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
Wales voted leave at 52.5% with 71.7% turn out. In tune with the Corbyns and the Burnhams and me as it happens!
Although I voted remain I literally changed my mind in the last two weeks and only because of the distict flirtation of the leave campaign with far right rascits to get the result, bad and dangerous politics. These types will not easily be put back on the leash. However, I believe the op to be disingenuous with their intentions....
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:19
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So we are leaving the EU, that's pretty clear, but the divides and division it's caused need to be healed as some of the stuff has been horrific from both sides.. telling Polish people who make a great contribution to this country to "go home" is disgusting and I believe most Leave voters think the same. In the same vain, it is unsavoury how Remain voters accuse all Leave voters of being xenophobes, racists and uneducated thickos.

So instead of focusing too much on the past and decision, how do we go about healing people?

Well the first thing I think we need to do is guarantee the EU citizens already living in this country the right to remain here.. I think that would take the morale high ground against the EU and show that we still embrace them, and don't tolerate hate crimes we are all equal. And that will give some comfort to the EU folk and families who are scared about the family.

I also think we need to crackdown on things said on Twitter and Facebook, and subject people to the same law online as they would face in the street.

And lastly, I'd make sure we still look an open nation but really hammer the point over that we are not just that with the EU, but the whole World. We are proud to be British and want to keep our identity which makes us unique, but we are not going backwards but going forward. Do lectures in schools etc to teach the next generation.

So, how would you go about this very difficult and sensitive aftermath position of healing and uniting the nation?
In the same way as in 1975 onwards when we voted to join against the wishes of many. We should just get on with it.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:23
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In the same way as in 1975 onwards when we voted to join against the wishes of many. We should just get on with it.
This isn't true. In 1975 The UK voted to stay in the EEC not join. The UK had already joined in 1973.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:26
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This isn't true. In 1975 The UK voted to stay in the EEC not join. The UK had already joined in 1973.
Yes and no one asked us!
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:32
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On the general point- I agree with the poster who said that we've always had divisions in the country and I don't think they're any worse because of the referendum. Actually I think that politics is less divisive these days than what it used to be - people vent their anger on the internet but in real life I don't see much evidence of social tension. Labour might be trying to rerun the 1980s but people seem to be more interested in Starbucks and Facebook than the bedroom tax and local government cuts.

On the point of EU citizens I entirely agree that we should just announce a cut off date from which everyone will be grant ed indefinite right to remain and a fast track route to a UK passport. I know that there's a whole bargaining process going on with our expats but it's a phoney war - no one is going to start deporting people who came to a country legally. If you want to see real social divide and battles on the street then that would be a good way to start it.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:36
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So we are leaving the EU, that's pretty clear, but the divides and division it's caused need to be healed as some of the stuff has been horrific from both sides..
It has been suggested that Leaving the EU could well lead to the break up of the UK because it will be Westminster that decides where money goes rather than the EU. UK governments tend to distribute money with an eye on votes.

During the Scottish referendum much play was of by voting no to being independent they'd remain in the EU.

At the General Election Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP, to send a message to the government they want to be heard, that they are fed up being ignored.

In the EU referendum Scotland voted to remain but to listen to the Prime Minister she only talks of the mandate from 17.5m, thus Scotland yet again finds itself ignored.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:37
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OP perhaps you should take a long look at yourself if you are genuine about uniting the nation, as you have posted numerous posts insulting those who are concerned about the ramifications of Brexit.
Having read the OPs comment about Gina Miller deserving what she is getting, I can only agree.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:40
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I don't come across any division except by Remnants on here.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:41
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It has been suggested that Leaving the EU could well lead to the break up of the UK because it will be Westminster that decides where money goes rather than the EU. UK governments tend to distribute money with an eye on votes.

During the Scottish referendum much play was of by voting no to being independent they'd remain in the EU.

At the General Election Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP, to send a message to the government they want to be heard, that they are fed up being ignored.

In the EU referendum Scotland voted to remain but to listen to the Prime Minister she only talks of the mandate from 17.5m, thus Scotland yet again finds itself ignored.
Part of that 17.5 million are in Scotland. In wasn't an Independent Nation vote it was a UK vote.

Why is this something that people insist on ignoring.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:56
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I don't come across any division except by Remnants on here.
Its no longer about leaving or staying. Its about how we leave and on what terms and future relationship with the EU. And things like the custom union which the government still will not answer.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:59
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Part of that 17.5 million are in Scotland. In wasn't an Independent Nation vote it was a UK vote.

Why is this something that people insist on ignoring.
It's not being ignored....what you and others are ignoring is the recent pattern of votes in Scotland that has its own education system and laws and now its own devolved parliament which itself has a mandate from the Scottish people...
Scotland has voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:03
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By allowing scotland & wales & n. ireland to leave the uk, and rejoin the e.u.
Wales voted to leave the EU and the largest party in NI backs Brexit and since 23 June Support for independence in Scotland has fallen substantially.

So maybe there is little real support for what you suggest! The vast majority of people are far more pro UK then pro the EU.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:45
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I have no desire to heal the wounds.

I simply want the leave side to either fix this problem without breaking the country, or prepare for the backlash.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:17
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Wales voted to leave the EU and the largest party in NI backs Brexit and since 23 June Support for independence in Scotland has fallen substantially.

So maybe there is little real support for what you suggest! The vast majority of people are far more pro UK then pro the EU.
So MPs in NI should vote against the wishes of the people there?
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