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Old 08-12-2016, 18:09
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If you never had something, you can't miss it.. so the people who was born while we was in the EU never knew what it was like before. The days of when you could live in a small town and leave your doors open for friends to come by for a cuppa etc.
As someone who lives in a village with one of the lowest crime rates in the whole of the UK (and still much, much lower than the typical small town in 1950), I still do live in that environment thankyou.

And it's in the North, a place, we're told is full of angry people desperate to vote UKIP to save the world.
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Old 08-12-2016, 18:12
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Of course they are, and I apologise for any offence. I of course did not mean the posters were awful, just the posts.

I should have said I can't work out whether some remainers who post on here write awful things deliberately or inadvertently.



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Fair enough.
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Old 08-12-2016, 18:14
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Dunno - you voted Brexit - you tell me.
Well, outside DS people from all walks of life are just continuing with their lives. Families and friends all getting along because they know that everyone has different views and as such arguing about them is pointless - people rarely change their minds or viewpoints.

Yet on DS you have Remain voters telling posters that they hate Leave voters, they won't even associate with leave voters in their lives.

I believe that in reality, division and hate is a media tool to create anger. The vote was taken, the result was reached. But, people are just living their lives and waiting to see what will happen. For now, we have calm. But, whatever the judges decide, half the country are going to be incredibly angered and that is when the trouble will start.
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Old 08-12-2016, 18:38
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Well, outside DS people from all walks of life are just continuing with their lives. Families and friends all getting along because they know that everyone has different views and as such arguing about them is pointless - people rarely change their minds or viewpoints.

Yet on DS you have Remain voters telling posters that they hate Leave voters, they won't even associate with leave voters in their lives.

I believe that in reality, division and hate is a media tool to create anger. The vote was taken, the result was reached. But, people are just living their lives and waiting to see what will happen. For now, we have calm. But, whatever the judges decide, half the country are going to be incredibly angered and that is when the trouble will start.
What ever the judges decide does not change leaving the EU, so why should there be any trouble ?
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:20
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You are 32 - how the Hell would you know what the country was like prior to joining the EU?

I am 60 - I remember (first hand, not fairy stories) that's why I voted to remain.

No surely not you're far to old surely you voted LEAVE!
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:26
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What ever the judges decide does not change leaving the EU, so why should there be any trouble ?
It was explained on the News. If the judges rule that Scotland must vote on A50 before Westminster, there'll be anger in England and Wales. If they don't, there'll be anger in Scotland. If A50 is allowed to be triggered by RP then some claimants can potentially take the case to the ECJ and cause more instability. Gina Miller has said though that if the Government wins the appeal she will not take it further - as have the Government. If NI are granted permission to vote to block it then there will be anger and unrest in England and Wales. Not everything is as straightforward as you suggest.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:32
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It was explained on the News. If the judges rule that Scotland must vote on A50 before Westminster, there'll be anger in England and Wales. If they don't, there'll be anger in Scotland. If A50 is allowed to be triggered by RP then some claimants can potentially take the case to the ECJ and cause more instability. Gina Miller has said though that if the Government wins the appeal she will not take it further - as have the Government. If NI are granted permission to vote to block it then there will be anger and unrest in England and Wales. Not everything is as straightforward as you suggest.
Surely you mean not as straightforward as the government thought. Gina Miller has done nothing wrong. Its all down to the government that were the all blame is. My be the government needed a better legal team before and after the vote
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:38
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After Brexit: How Do We Go About Uniting The Nation?

The grown ups from both sides unite to make the most they can of the situation, in business and within their communities. Over the next couple of decades we vote in governments that support good social practice on education, housing and health alongside the economy, and swiftly kick out ones which don't. Perhaps old party lines will fade.

We all accept that passing time will more and more isolate those still kicking and screaming as people peel off the "I love EU" bandwagon until they are just a footnote of history, which is what will happen. All things must pass.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:51
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How to Unite the Country ?
Find a small country with lots of oil - and invade them

Works for the USA and Russia
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:59
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After Brexit: How Do We Go About Uniting The Nation?

The grown ups from both sides unite to make the most they can of the situation, in business and within their communities. Over the next couple of decades we vote in governments that support good social practice on education, housing and health alongside the economy, and swiftly kick out ones which don't. Perhaps old party lines will fade.

We all accept that passing time will more and more isolate those still kicking and screaming as people peel off the "I love EU" bandwagon until they are just a footnote of history, which is what will happen. All things must pass.
There has been nothing stopping us do that so what has that to do with leaving the EU?

Who do you suggest voting in?
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:06
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After brexit things are going to go from bad to worse to worst for britain.

If brexit can't be stopped or at least nullified with soft brexit the best thing to do is to leave britain.
Go on then, leave!
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:08
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You are 32 - how the Hell would you know what the country was like prior to joining the EU?

I am 60 - I remember (first hand, not fairy stories) that's why I voted to remain.
I'm 80 in March and disgree with you on almost everything. So ner ner ner ner.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:09
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BRAVO!

Absolutely the truth
It's bullshine.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:12
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Yes, but it's mainly rabbits where you live.

As for brother and I, we had a huge row before the vote, and since I haven't phoned him, he hasn't phoned me. They live in Devon and love coming up to London ever few weeks, when I put them up. A pleasure I assume they are forgoing.

I'll see if we get a Christmas card before I reciprocate.
Oh you're spiteful as well. Why don't you just send him a Christmas card and hope he forgives you for wanting to remain?
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:16
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Is this the remoaners version of Godwin's law?
They don't have versions, only aversions.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:19
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Tell the Remoaners to move on.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:23
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Tell the Remoaners to move on.
Oxymoron alert.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:24
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Tell the Remoaners to move on.
Some of them said they would move out.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:24
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Yes, but it's mainly rabbits where you live.

As for brother and I, we had a huge row before the vote, and since I haven't phoned him, he hasn't phoned me. They live in Devon and love coming up to London ever few weeks, when I put them up. A pleasure I assume they are forgoing.

I'll see if we get a Christmas card before I reciprocate.
You seriously and truly would sacrifice the love of a brother because he has different political viewpoints to you? Really? I couldn't give a flying fig how my brother votes. His vote is what he thinks is best and it's up to him to decide. I could never ever fall out with anyone over how they vote. Life is way too short and love is in short supply. And you think Leavers are the ones with problems?
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:26
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I'm 80 in March and disgree with you on almost everything. So ner ner ner ner.
Can you say that without your teeth in??

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Old 08-12-2016, 20:27
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There has been nothing stopping us do that so what has that to do with leaving the EU?

Who do you suggest voting in?
First bit - it relates to the specific point of OP of how do we unite in the unique circumstances of Brexit. By the majority making the most of the opportunities and battling the difficult bits, with how they voted no longer playing a part in it all. Time will heal a lot, but some people with rigid personalities will just have to be dragged along with the rest of us.

And who knows who we will vote in - Brexit could lead to new parties, anything is possible. It's time to stop thinking narrow horizons.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:32
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Can you say that without your teeth in??

I still have over half of the originals and rarely wear the dentures. The young gels still want to chat me oop.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:33
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First bit - it relates to the specific point of OP of how do we unite in the unique circumstances of Brexit. By the majority making the most of the opportunities and battling the difficult bits, with how they voted no longer playing a part in it all. Time will heal a lot, but some people with rigid personalities will just have to be dragged along with the rest of us.

And who knows who we will vote in - Brexit could lead to new parties, anything is possible. It's time to stop thinking narrow horizons.
Voting out is the very best example of thinking narrow horizons. Isolation rules uk
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:43
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You seriously and truly would sacrifice the love of a brother because he has different political viewpoints to you? Really? I couldn't give a flying fig how my brother votes. His vote is what he thinks is best and it's up to him to decide. I could never ever fall out with anyone over how they vote. Life is way too short and love is in short supply. And you think Leavers are the ones with problems?
Well I have to say Wizzy that here we have finally cut all ties with the racist / sectarian end of the family over what they said on phone and f/book about Brexit. It was bad enough leading up the vote, but since the result things worsened to the point of no return. Married in members of my family were directly referred to in a disgusting racist manner and their original family culture denigrated.
Basically we should have apparently voted Remain so that more white Catholics come here instead of (deleted). But there was history here as they had been offensive in the past.

But no ties have been cut with closer family and friends who voted Remain, and like you I can't imagine how that would happen. We are all happily getting on as usual, but then there was nothing personal in it, whereas Trevgo seems to take everything about Brexit as a personal insult.
There are more important things in life for most people.
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Old 08-12-2016, 20:45
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Voting out is the very best example of thinking narrow horizons. Isolation rules uk
This type of thinking is the Achilles heel of Remain, I'm afraid. Brexit forces the country to stretch itself and constantly look outwards.
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