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Old 09-12-2016, 14:42
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Of course future generations will resent it. I know many young people, some of whom were too young to vote last June who were really upset by the vote to leave. They'd grown up taking for granted that they'd have the freedom to study and work all around Europe just like some of their parents did and all this was suddenly taken away. There weren't the same opportunities before we joined the EU and there won't be after we leave. That's the whole point!

Whatever people's reasons for voting leave were, I'm quite shocked that most seem to have no sympathy or compassion at all for these youngsters who feel they've been denied future opportunities through no fault of their own. The general feeling just seems to be "You lost, get over it, stop moaning!", which comes across as extremely heartless to me.
In the late 60s, I met my future husband, who had worked in Malaysia, Chad, Spain. I worked with a woman who had lived for many years in Rome. Several people I knew went to Israel to work on a kibbutz. A work colleague went to Uganda to work for the government there (pre Amin).

The place was awash with draft-dodging Americans "studying" here. I briefly had a boyfriend who came from Peru, but whose family lived in Switzerland.

If you imagine we were all stuck here and never went anywhere, or people from abroad were precluded from coming here, you are very much mistaken.

If young people want to work, live, study abroad after brexit, they will be able to - maybe a few more forms to fill in. The only thing that might stop them going to the EU countries to do it would be the intransigence of the EU.

I am unable to understand this fear that once we leave the EU all opportunity will end. It's pure brainwashing, imo.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:01
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If young people want to work, live, study abroad after brexit, they will be able to - maybe a few more forms to fill in. The only thing that might stop them going to the EU countries to do it would be the intransigence of the EU.

I am unable to understand this fear that once we leave the EU all opportunity will end. It's pure brainwashing, imo.
But then surely if that's true, then anyone from Europe will be able to work, live and study in the UK (with a few more forms to fill in). If it works one way it would have to work the other.

But one of the main drivers of Brexit for a lot of people was to restrict immigration from Europe so how does that make sense?
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Old 09-12-2016, 16:03
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In the late 60s, I met my future husband, who had worked in Malaysia, Chad, Spain. I worked with a woman who had lived for many years in Rome. Several people I knew went to Israel to work on a kibbutz. A work colleague went to Uganda to work for the government there (pre Amin).

The place was awash with draft-dodging Americans "studying" here. I briefly had a boyfriend who came from Peru, but whose family lived in Switzerland.

If you imagine we were all stuck here and never went anywhere, or people from abroad were precluded from coming here, you are very much mistaken.

If young people want to work, live, study abroad after brexit, they will be able to - maybe a few more forms to fill in. The only thing that might stop them going to the EU countries to do it would be the intransigence of the EU.

I am unable to understand this fear that once we leave the EU all opportunity will end. It's pure brainwashing, imo.
People from privileged backgrounds have always and will always have such opportunities.
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Old 09-12-2016, 16:07
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But then surely if that's true, then anyone from Europe will be able to work, live and study in the UK (with a few more forms to fill in). If it works one way it would have to work the other.

But one of the main drivers of Brexit for a lot of people was to restrict immigration from Europe so how does that make sense?
Of course it works both ways. I don't see the problem. If there are jobs and student places here, and people from EU countries, or non-EU Europe, or the USA, or Australia, want them, and are eligible, then what's wrong with that?

No one said immigration would cease when we left Brexit.
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Old 09-12-2016, 16:13
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People from privileged backgrounds have always and will always have such opportunities.
You are making assumptions which are false. I don't know anyone from a privileged background. The British people I mentioned were all from very normal working class backgrounds it's true the were mostly well-educated, however (Grammar school).
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Old 09-12-2016, 16:24
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7465271.html

Maybe offering people this option throwing them a bone?
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