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Any cyclist trying to undertake a moving car already indicating that they are turning left is a bloody fool in the first place.
On one occasion, I waited for the undertaking cyclist to pass before turning (and held up all the cars behind me), started to turn immediately after he'd and realised just in time that he was towing a small child in a trailer. The trailer was so low that I hadn't been able to see it in my door mirror. Those wanky little trailers should be banned imo. |
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Well I'm a keen cyclist, and I think this proposal in unnecessary. Drivers are (usually) more than capable of giving enough room to cyclists, and any cyclist who attempts to squeeze in between a vehicle and the pavement having observed the flashing yellow light on the back of said vehicle ought to know better.
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Well I'm a keen cyclist, and I think this proposal in unnecessary. Drivers are (usually) more than capable of giving enough room to cyclists, and any cyclist who attempts to squeeze in between a vehicle and the pavement having observed the flashing yellow light on the back of said vehicle ought to know better.
The change in guidance would mean a driver or cyclist should give right of way to pedestrians as they wait to cross a side junction (rather than only when they are crossing). It also would advise all road users not to pull across the adjacent path of others when turning into a side road. e.g. If there is a cycle lane parallel to the kerb then it could in future extend across the junction. Other road users would have to check it and defer to those using it. |
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A sensible proposal that most drivers hopefully already do with no problem.
Something should be done about cyclists and motorcycles that move across cars to get to the other side of the lane. Normally this is delivery mopeds weaving through traffic. Very dangerous to go across the front of the car. |
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Correct, but also IIRC the Highway Code (170) states "watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way"
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Since you have had so many recent near-misses, I strongly advise you to consider your road crossing strategy.
The roads are full of idiots |
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It occurred to me listening to the piece that neither the anti proponent nor the interviewer picked up on the fact that European drivers drive on the right, so a left turn in Europe is equivalent to a right turn here, and we already give way to oncoming traffic when turning right, so of course Europe's left turners are safer. They aren't comparing the same thing. That aside though, the general idea just seems incredibly dangerous.
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We should all be responsible for our own decisions - including cyclists.
If they don't want to slow down for a few seconds whilst the car in front turns, and feel like chancing pushing in front, they can pay the consequences. Drivers are always being told to look out for cyclists and make sure you 'think' about them before making a decision - well, it should work both ways. Cyclists should make sure they're watching what they're doing when the car in front of them starts to indicate. Yet again, TPTB are trying to make the rest of us pander to idiots who don't know what they're doing. |
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Death Penalty for Pushy Idiot Cyclists then?
Just back off |
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I honestly don't know what cyclists are doing on the road. They are as vulnerable as pedestrians walking along the road, undertaking cars and generally weaving onto pavements in order not to stop at traffic lights. Ban all cyclists from roads I say and pavements they are just a nuisance to everyone or provide adequate cycle lanes for them that don't get in the way of traffic or pedestrians.
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Yet again, TPTB are trying to make the rest of us pander to idiots who don't know what they're doing.
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I honestly don't know what cyclists are doing on the road.
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They are as vulnerable as pedestrians walking along the road,
Well take more care then. Quote:
undertaking cars and generally weaving onto pavements in order not to stop at traffic lights.
What, all of them?Quote:
Ban all cyclists from roads I say and pavements they are just a nuisance to everyone
Oh look, your true motive is exposed. A classic example of an "I hate cyclists" person.Quote:
or provide adequate cycle lanes for them that don't get in the way of traffic or pedestrians.
You do realise that 99% of the time it's more traffic that gets in the way of traffic. Which means we really should be banning cars from the road to let cyclists and public transport through.
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You do realise that 99% of the time it's more traffic that gets in the way of traffic. Which means we really should be banning cars from the road to let cyclists and public transport through.
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I honestly don't know what cyclists are doing on the road. They are as vulnerable as pedestrians walking along the road, undertaking cars and generally weaving onto pavements in order not to stop at traffic lights. Ban all cyclists from roads I say and pavements they are just a nuisance to everyone or provide adequate cycle lanes for them that don't get in the way of traffic or pedestrians.
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I was trying to pont out that cycists are as vulnerable as pedestrians walking in the middle of the road and therefore have no place in traffic.
If you feel that there is a vulnerable road user in front of you, keep back and wait until it's safe to pass. It's incredibly simple. Quote:
I was also trying to point out that they are a danger to pedestrians if cycling on the pavements.
And yet you also want to ban cyclists from the roads. So where are they meant to go?Quote:
I can see no place in modern society for cyclists on roads unless they have specific and adequate lanes targeted for them.
See - "I hate cyclists". Did one hold you up for 10 seconds at some point? Quote:
I should think if someone invented the bicycle today their use, outside the sporting realm, would be severely restricted if not banned on the roads.
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This morning BBC Radio 4's Today news programme had a piece about British Cycling's proposal to have the highway rules changed.
They want to make it so that any vehicle turning left has to give way to a cyclist undertaking on the nearside. In other words, if you're a driver turning left off a major road in to a side street then you'd need to stop on the main road and let any cyclist go past on your left side before completing the manoeuvre. The argument is that it would reduce the incident of cyclists being knocked off their bikes in this scenario. Chris Boardman was being interviewed for the pro lobby. He said that pedestrians already have this right of way (which they do, by Law) and the right should be extended to cyclists. The justification added was that this is how it is done in Europe and the result is that cyclists are half as likely to be injured by left turners compared to cyclists on British roads. It occurred to me listening to the piece that neither the anti proponent nor the interviewer picked up on the fact that European drivers drive on the right, so a left turn in Europe is equivalent to a right turn here, and we already give way to oncoming traffic when turning right, so of course Europe's left turners are safer. They aren't comparing the same thing. That aside though, the general idea just seems incredibly dangerous. It makes any road user (cyclists included) responsible for the safety of another road user in a situation where visibility is already very limited. This might be a workable idea in daylight, but can you imagine how difficult it would be to spot a cyclist at night in poor weather against a sea of headlights, particularly if that cyclist isn't using lights. That's just thinking about car drivers. What about truck drivers who need to swing out before making a turn. They have no chance of spotting a cyclist bombing up the inside. Do you want to see truck drivers hauled up on manslaughter charges for something they can't easily avoid? Are you a truck driver yourself; if so what do you think about this idea? Another argumentioned by the Cycling lobby is that there are too many existing rules for cyclists. They quoted a figure of 14. One of these is that a cyclist mustn't undertake a vehicle slowing or indicating to turn left. What's your opinion on this idea. Would it make our roads safer? Not sure I see a problem. |
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Err cyclist shouldn't be undertaking on the inside, if they didn't do that there would be a lot less of them being knocked off their bikes.
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Err cyclist shouldn't be undertaking on the inside, if they didn't do that there would be a lot less of them being knocked off their bikes.
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I don't think you should drive if that's what you took from my post.
Btw if I saw a cyclist alongside me on the inside I would wait for them to pass before turning left as I've no desire to knock anyone off their bike. My point is cyclists shouldn't be undertaking on the inside especially if a motorist is indicating to turn left. |
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It is the law to have lights and reflectors.
Helmets are subject to a lot of debate, so not a good candidate. Hi Viz, maybe that is right. Hi-vis is a good idea day or night. Lights are just, well, obvious at night. A bell or horn as a means to alert in an emergency. And riding defensively, assuming everyone else is out to kill you. Not being all high and mighty saying 'I know my rights' while winding up flattened under a truck. |
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Shouldn't need to be law. Common sense surely applies here?
Hi-vis is a good idea day or night. Lights are just, well, obvious at night. A bell or horn as a means to alert in an emergency. And riding defensively, assuming everyone else is out to kill you. Not being all high and mighty saying 'I know my rights' while winding up flattened under a truck. |
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Some sense here. Particularly the BIB.
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Some I suspect do it deliberately. They'll be the ones with a GoPro on their head, who will instantly react in a way that you know is acting up for the camera, and they'll likely have a YouTube channel full of other videos where they probably also put themselves in a position of danger to get more material!
The attitude of some car drivers is astounding. |
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Yes, people obviously put themselves in danger just to get some footage to post on the internet.
The attitude of some car drivers is astounding. And as you mentioned car drivers presumably by mistake (I was talking about cyclists), it is worth noting that - yes - many drivers (and not just of cars) do the same with dashcams. Some clearly make good money from their channels. I think it's rather risky and stupid, but there you go. |
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Yes they do. Some are quite infamous.
Anyone who suggests that cyclists deliberately put themselves in danger 1) doesn't know how to drive (and thus thinks the incidents are the cyclists' fault); and/or 2) is so blinded by their hatred of cyclists that all sense of logic evades them when it comes to the topic. Quote:
And as you mentioned car drivers presumably by mistake
No, I meant cyclists.Quote:
(I was talking about cyclists),
And I was talking about the attitude of drivers towards cyclists, specifically the attitude that leads to the belief they go out of their way to get a bit of footage.
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