There's a lot of bloody fools about then. I'm obsessive about indicating, and it happens to me fairly often.

On one occasion, I waited for the undertaking cyclist to pass before turning (and held up all the cars behind me), started to turn immediately after he'd and realised just in time that he was towing a small child in a trailer. The trailer was so low that I hadn't been able to see it in my door mirror.

Those wanky little trailers should be banned imo.

Well I'm a keen cyclist, and I think this proposal in unnecessary. Drivers are (usually) more than capable of giving enough room to cyclists, and any cyclist who attempts to squeeze in between a vehicle and the pavement having observed the flashing yellow light on the back of said vehicle ought to know better.

Rule 72, specifically "Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left" would remain unaltered under the proposed change.

The change in guidance would mean a driver or cyclist should give right of way to pedestrians as they wait to cross a side junction (rather than only when they are crossing).

It also would advise all road users not to pull across the adjacent path of others when turning into a side road. e.g. If there is a cycle lane parallel to the kerb then it could in future extend across the junction. Other road users would have to check it and defer to those using it.

A sensible proposal that most drivers hopefully already do with no problem.

Something should be done about cyclists and motorcycles that move across cars to get to the other side of the lane.

Normally this is delivery mopeds weaving through traffic. Very dangerous to go across the front of the car.

Try telling that to the two morons who've nearly run me down when I've been crossing a side road on the left in recent weeks. Plus another incident where I glanced back and saw a car coming up behind me and he wasn't even signalling, started to cross and he shot round beeping his horn like mad, again just missing me.

Since you have had so many recent near-misses, I strongly advise you to consider your road crossing strategy.

The roads are full of idiots

They probably used their common sense and just related it to the equivalent situation in foreign countries....

We should all be responsible for our own decisions - including cyclists.

If they don't want to slow down for a few seconds whilst the car in front turns, and feel like chancing pushing in front, they can pay the consequences.

Drivers are always being told to look out for cyclists and make sure you 'think' about them before making a decision - well, it should work both ways. Cyclists should make sure they're watching what they're doing when the car in front of them starts to indicate.

Yet again, TPTB are trying to make the rest of us pander to idiots who don't know what they're doing.

Death Penalty for Pushy Idiot Cyclists then?

Just back off

I honestly don't know what cyclists are doing on the road. They are as vulnerable as pedestrians walking along the road, undertaking cars and generally weaving onto pavements in order not to stop at traffic lights. Ban all cyclists from roads I say and pavements they are just a nuisance to everyone or provide adequate cycle lanes for them that don't get in the way of traffic or pedestrians.

Like people who don't know how to drive properly? There do seem to be a few of those in this thread...

Getting from A to B, just like people in their cars.


Well take more care then.


What, all of them?


Oh look, your true motive is exposed. A classic example of an "I hate cyclists" person.


You do realise that 99% of the time it's more traffic that gets in the way of traffic. Which means we really should be banning cars from the road to let cyclists and public transport through.

I was trying to pont out that cycists are as vulnerable as pedestrians walking in the middle of the road and therefore have no place in traffic. I was also trying to point out that they are a danger to pedestrians if cycling on the pavements. I can see no place in modern society for cyclists on roads unless they have specific and adequate lanes targeted for them.

I should think if someone invented the bicycle today their use, outside the sporting realm, would be severely restricted if not banned on the roads.

Of course they have a place in traffic.

If you feel that there is a vulnerable road user in front of you, keep back and wait until it's safe to pass.

It's incredibly simple.


And yet you also want to ban cyclists from the roads. So where are they meant to go?


See - "I hate cyclists". Did one hold you up for 10 seconds at some point?


Don't be ridiculous.

If i'm turning left and there's a cyclist who may be close to passing on the inside, any decent driver would make the choice to wait for them to pass anyway. This rule change would just make an offence out of something that is just good practice.

Not sure I see a problem.

Err cyclist shouldn't be undertaking on the inside, if they didn't do that there would be a lot less of them being knocked off their bikes.

I don't think you should drive if that's what you took from my post.

I didn't take anything from your post, if I'd wanted to reply to it I'd have used the Quote button.

Btw if I saw a cyclist alongside me on the inside I would wait for them to pass before turning left as I've no desire to knock anyone off their bike. My point is cyclists shouldn't be undertaking on the inside especially if a motorist is indicating to turn left.

Shouldn't need to be law. Common sense surely applies here?

Hi-vis is a good idea day or night. Lights are just, well, obvious at night. A bell or horn as a means to alert in an emergency.

And riding defensively, assuming everyone else is out to kill you. Not being all high and mighty saying 'I know my rights' while winding up flattened under a truck.

Unfortunately reading this thread it would seem the sooner it is law the better.

Some I suspect do it deliberately. They'll be the ones with a GoPro on their head, who will instantly react in a way that you know is acting up for the camera, and they'll likely have a YouTube channel full of other videos where they probably also put themselves in a position of danger to get more material!

Yes, people obviously put themselves in danger just to get some footage to post on the internet.

The attitude of some car drivers is astounding.

Yes they do. Some are quite infamous.

And as you mentioned car drivers presumably by mistake (I was talking about cyclists), it is worth noting that - yes - many drivers (and not just of cars) do the same with dashcams.

Some clearly make good money from their channels.

I think it's rather risky and stupid, but there you go.

No, they don't.

Anyone who suggests that cyclists deliberately put themselves in danger 1) doesn't know how to drive (and thus thinks the incidents are the cyclists' fault); and/or 2) is so blinded by their hatred of cyclists that all sense of logic evades them when it comes to the topic.


No, I meant cyclists.


And I was talking about the attitude of drivers towards cyclists, specifically the attitude that leads to the belief they go out of their way to get a bit of footage.