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No, they don't.
Anyone who suggests that cyclists deliberately put themselves in danger 1) doesn't know how to drive (and thus thinks the incidents are the cyclists' fault); and/or 2) is so blinded by their hatred of cyclists that all sense of logic evades them when it comes to the topic... SNIP Those who wear headphones and again pull out across the lane with not so much as a head turn, let alone a hand signal. Perhaps those who run through red lights without slowing or even checking there's nothing coming from the other direction are simply innocent of the impending accident. Maybe the cyclist who shot across a very busy cross roads (while his road was at red) and either didn't hear or perhaps not care that an ambulance was blaring its siren trying to come through! |
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No, they don't.
You can debate how many do, and obviously it's a very small number, but you can't change the truth by just saying no over and over. |
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What about the cyclists I see most days bombing along the pavement who then suddenly pull on to the road without so much as glancing behind them.
Those who wear headphones and again pull out across the lane with not so much as a head turn, let alone a hand signal. Perhaps those who run through red lights without slowing or even checking there's nothing coming from the other direction are simply innocent of the impending accident. Maybe the cyclist who shot across a very busy cross roads (while his road was at red) and either didn't hear or perhaps not care that an ambulance was blaring its siren trying to come through! All those things you describe are wrong. I would mention here my personal distinction between those people, and "other" cyclists but that will just upset a certain other poster. So I won't bother, and just say - all those people you mention are idiots. Quote:
Yes they do, but if you're in denial then so be it. Doesn't alter reality.
You can debate how many do, and obviously it's a very small number, but you can't change the truth by just saying no over and over. |
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Well, if you think about it, it is deliberate.. they aren't accidentally cycling to work and anything that shares a road with 2 ton metal objects is putting itself in serious danger. I bet 100% of cyclists have the same thought when they go out "I could get hurt" and I bet 100% of them people still decide to get on their bike and risk it.
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Well, if you think about it, it is deliberate.. they aren't accidentally cycling to work and anything that shares a road with 2 ton metal objects is putting itself in serious danger. I bet 100% of cyclists have the same thought when they go out "I could get hurt" and I bet 100% of them people still decide to get on their bike and risk it.
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Well, if you think about it, it is deliberate.. they aren't accidentally cycling to work and anything that shares a road with 2 ton metal objects is putting itself in serious danger. I bet 100% of cyclists have the same thought when they go out "I could get hurt" and I bet 100% of them people still decide to get on their bike and risk it.
That can be said of anything... like erm, I dunno, being a driver of a car next to 20 tonne metal objects.
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Yeah.. And? It's one of the reasons I don't drive, because I don't want to die. Not through anything I do wrong, but because of the other millions of shit drivers on the roads.
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Yeah.. And? It's one of the reasons I don't drive, because I don't want to die. Not through anything I do wrong, but because of the other millions of shit drivers on the roads.
Actually, even that's not safe. A plane might fall out of the sky onto your roof. |
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Yeah.. And? It's one of the reasons I don't drive, because I don't want to die. Not through anything I do wrong, but because of the other millions of shit drivers on the roads.
That can be said of anything like erm, being a pedestrian on a pavement next to 20 tonne objects. You feel safe and like you're not going to die because you're a pavement? Okay then.
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Well, if you think about it, it is deliberate.. they aren't accidentally cycling to work and anything that shares a road with 2 ton metal objects is putting itself in serious danger. I bet 100% of cyclists have the same thought when they go out "I could get hurt" and I bet 100% of them people still decide to get on their bike and risk it.
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The same applies to you - you can't change the truth by just saying "yes they do" over and over.
Likewise you can find, shock horror, that at protests you get people out with cameras goading the police to get reactions - to then edit and put online. Even politicians lying about ram-packed trains... Crikey mate, wake up and smell the coffee. |
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You can take five minutes to go and see these videos on YouTube yourself, or the many forums and blogs, and activist sites, that show this sort of thing.
I'm not saying there's no videos showing cyclists doing silly things, but these are either 1) uploaded by someone else; or 2) uploaded with an acknowledgement that they were at fault. Quote:
Likewise you can find, shock horror, that at protests you get people out with cameras goading the police to get reactions - to then edit and put online.
What's that got to do with cyclists allegedly putting themselves in danger of death to obtain footage?
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Yes they do, but if you're in denial then so be it. Doesn't alter reality.
You can debate how many do, and obviously it's a very small number, but you can't change the truth by just saying no over and over. |
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Of course he is in denial, when his starting point is that cyclists can do no wrong then what else do you expect.
That chip of yours is getting bigger by the day. |
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Of course he is in denial, when his starting point is that cyclists can do no wrong then what else do you expect.
Not only do some cyclists deliber ![]() The idea that either poster can say 'yes they are' or 'no they're not' is clearly ludicrous. Neither know, although to be fair any logical likelihood is going to fall on the side of most cyclists not putting themselves in life threatening danger for some YouTube videos. But car enthusiasts obviously can't get on that logical page.
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What's that got to do with cyclists allegedly putting themselves in danger of death to obtain footage?
I assume you're just trolling now by pretending not to understand quite simple things. |
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Nothing, it's a point that people go out looking for things to put online.
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I assume you're just trolling now by pretending not to understand quite simple things.
No, it genuinely confused me why you think that goading the police is in any way comparable to putting yourself in danger of death.
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No, it genuinely confused me why you think that goading the police is in any way comparable to putting yourself in danger of death.
Go on living in your bubble and ignoring that people can and do ridiculously stupid things, and they can be on foot in a crowd, on a bike trying to prove points, or in a car trying to take on the world. They're out there. It's wise to avoid them and certainly try hard to ignore them. |
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Yeah, it's so hard to understand. I will stop trying to explain though as I suspect that it won't take long until you report me for harassing you or something.
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With a name like yours, shock horror you think they're in denial.
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Sorry what has my user name got to do with anything? No I don't drive a 'Rice Burner' and I don't suppose you are a fictional New York attorney from a crappy American TV show.
But I guess your response has said it all. Have a good day. |
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In other words, you know you were wrong and therefore can't explain it.
If so, congratulations, you're a winner. |
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Yeah, that's it. Is that how you 'win' arguments? Fake ignorance and try and derail things, then get in the last word when people give up.
Now come on - in what way is putting yourself at danger of death comparable to goading the police during a riot? It's a simple question that you should be able to answer, since you made the comparison. |
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Drivers are always being told to look out for cyclists and make sure you 'think' about them before making a decision - well, it should work both ways. Cyclists should make sure they're watching what they're doing when the car in front of them starts to indicate.
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You can take five minutes to go and see these videos on YouTube yourself, or the many forums and blogs, and activist sites, that show this sort of thing.
Although the use of cameras is increasing for all types of transport, so they can't all be 'looking for trouble'. |
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