What about the cyclists I see most days bombing along the pavement who then suddenly pull on to the road without so much as glancing behind them.
Those who wear headphones and again pull out across the lane with not so much as a head turn, let alone a hand signal.

Perhaps those who run through red lights without slowing or even checking there's nothing coming from the other direction are simply innocent of the impending accident.

Maybe the cyclist who shot across a very busy cross roads (while his road was at red) and either didn't hear or perhaps not care that an ambulance was blaring its siren trying to come through!

Yes they do, but if you're in denial then so be it. Doesn't alter reality.

You can debate how many do, and obviously it's a very small number, but you can't change the truth by just saying no over and over.

None of those relate to the point originally made, viz, that cyclists put themselves in danger just to get a bit of footage to upload to the internet.

All those things you describe are wrong. I would mention here my personal distinction between those people, and "other" cyclists but that will just upset a certain other poster. So I won't bother, and just say - all those people you mention are idiots.


The same applies to you - you can't change the truth by just saying "yes they do" over and over.

Well, if you think about it, it is deliberate.. they aren't accidentally cycling to work and anything that shares a road with 2 ton metal objects is putting itself in serious danger. I bet 100% of cyclists have the same thought when they go out "I could get hurt" and I bet 100% of them people still decide to get on their bike and risk it.

Just...no.

What?

That can be said of anything... like erm, I dunno, being a driver of a car next to 20 tonne metal objects.

Yeah.. And? It's one of the reasons I don't drive, because I don't want to die. Not through anything I do wrong, but because of the other millions of shit drivers on the roads.

I take it you don't leave your house then?

Actually, even that's not safe. A plane might fall out of the sky onto your roof.

Okay.

That can be said of anything like erm, being a pedestrian on a pavement next to 20 tonne objects.

You feel safe and like you're not going to die because you're a pavement? Okay then.

A factoid that is also true for all the people who get into a car and drive it on the road, of course. Or did you perhaps think car occupants are immune from accidents?

You can take five minutes to go and see these videos on YouTube yourself, or the many forums and blogs, and activist sites, that show this sort of thing.

Likewise you can find, shock horror, that at protests you get people out with cameras goading the police to get reactions - to then edit and put online.

Even politicians lying about ram-packed trains...

Crikey mate, wake up and smell the coffee.

I do watch these videos. I've yet to see one where the cyclist has deliberately put themselves in danger to obtain some footage.

I'm not saying there's no videos showing cyclists doing silly things, but these are either 1) uploaded by someone else; or 2) uploaded with an acknowledgement that they were at fault.


What's that got to do with cyclists allegedly putting themselves in danger of death to obtain footage?

Of course he is in denial, when his starting point is that cyclists can do no wrong then what else do you expect.

Except that's not my starting point.

That chip of yours is getting bigger by the day.

With a name like yours, shock horror you think they're in denial.

The idea that either poster can say 'yes they are' or 'no they're not' is clearly ludicrous.

Neither know, although to be fair any logical likelihood is going to fall on the side of most cyclists not putting themselves in life threatening danger for some YouTube videos.

But car enthusiasts obviously can't get on that logical page.

Nothing, it's a point that people go out looking for things to put online. Not all on two-wheels. Some not even on any wheels.

I assume you're just trolling now by pretending not to understand quite simple things.

Which completely ignores the dangers involved in doing so when on a bike.


No, it genuinely confused me why you think that goading the police is in any way comparable to putting yourself in danger of death.

Yeah, it's so hard to understand. I will stop trying to explain though as I suspect that it won't take long until you report me for harassing you or something.

Go on living in your bubble and ignoring that people can and do ridiculously stupid things, and they can be on foot in a crowd, on a bike trying to prove points, or in a car trying to take on the world.

They're out there. It's wise to avoid them and certainly try hard to ignore them.

In other words, you know you were wrong and therefore can't explain it.

Sorry what has my user name got to do with anything? No I don't drive a 'Rice Burner' and I don't suppose you are a fictional New York attorney from a crappy American TV show.

lol was a little joke pal.

But I guess your response has said it all.

Have a good day.

Yeah, that's it. Is that how you 'win' arguments? Fake ignorance and try and derail things, then get in the last word when people give up.

If so, congratulations, you're a winner.

Just because you can't explain yourself it doesn't mean others are faking ignorance.

Now come on - in what way is putting yourself at danger of death comparable to goading the police during a riot? It's a simple question that you should be able to answer, since you made the comparison.

Yes, there's no point in indicating if no-one is going to take any notice.

I suppose there must be a handful who are 'looking for trouble', but when I was looking for videos of left hooks, there were nearly all from other cyclists not that near the incident but who did catch it on camera.
Although the use of cameras is increasing for all types of transport, so they can't all be 'looking for trouble'.