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Staff in North Wales hotel kill kitten and management later condone it!
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Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
It's causing quite the social media storm, with a protest now planned for a Sunday this month, and their page now flooded with comments and 1 star reviews.

The Royal Oak Hotel in the quaint town of Betws-Y-Coed which is nestled in forested foothills is not somewhere you would expect to have a disgraceful story like this!

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...-coed-12283693

I wonder how the story got out, it must have been witnessed by someone who was disgusted at the hotel and then the next thing you know, Facebook, and ratings and pages are sabotaged! What sane business owner would ever think to "humanely euthanise" a cat is actually a good thing to do!

I remember in the Jason Wells cyclist road rage incident in SW London, his Brew restaurant pages were flooded with bad reviews and angry comments but after a while things returned to normal and he's even opening another 6th restaurant in his chain, could this Betws-Y-Coed establishment really survive after doing something this awful? It was bad enough that some workers did it, but that the hotel then made excuses for them instead of apologising.
CBFreak
08-12-2016
Reading more on the story it seems there are rumours the cat was not humanely euthanised but rather was bludgeoned to death with a rolling pin.
Andrue
08-12-2016
Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.
Evo102
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“It's causing quite the social media storm, with a protest now planned for a Sunday this month, and their page now flooded with comments and 1 star reviews.

The Royal Oak Hotel in the quaint town of Betws-Y-Coed which is nestled in forested foothills is not somewhere you would expect to have a disgraceful story like this!

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...-coed-12283693

I wonder how the story got out, it must have been witnessed by someone who was disgusted at the hotel and then the next thing you know, Facebook, and ratings and pages are sabotaged! What sane business owner would ever think to "humanely euthanise" a cat is actually a good thing to do!

I remember in the Jason Wells cyclist road rage incident in SW London, his Brew restaurant pages were flooded with bad reviews and angry comments but after a while things returned to normal and he's even opening another 6th restaurant in his chain, could this Betws-Y-Coed establishment really survive after doing something this awful? It was bad enough that some workers did it, but that the hotel then made excuses for them instead of apologising.”

Well those protesting such things via social media could soon find themselves in hot water when the proposed amended legislation about cyber bullying and more specifically cyber mobbing comes into force.
juliancarswell
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

Thin ice Andy old bean, thin ice
I presume you don't know any actual cat owners itrw. A more obsessive tunnel visioned group you would be hard done to find.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were doxxed had a "Catwah" put on you. 😱💣💥💀
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

Not just thin ice but fallen through it, how people can have sick opinions like yours I have no comprehension, I just hope you have a bad christmas etc.
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“Well those protesting such things via social media could soon find themselves in hot water when the proposed amended legislation about cyber bullying and more specifically cyber mobbing comes into force.”

Sounds like you are happy with the authorities clamping down on legitimate protest then, doesn't mean we will comply. All those gathered outside the Leo the Lion killer's dentist office, that was "cyber mobbing" was it, have we all got to stay home and grumble quietly to ourselves about things from now on?
contrarian
08-12-2016
business comes first
blueblade
08-12-2016
link

Quote:
“Cat was NOT killed with a rolling pin at Betws y Coed hotel says manager”

Well how was s/he killed then, you sick, cowardly prick?
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

What I really want to say to you would obviously get me banned, it would be a shame to ruin a 15 year old account and posting history over you!
Evo102
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Sounds like you are happy with the authorities clamping down on legitimate protest then, doesn't mean we will comply. All those gathered outside the Leo the Lion killer's dentist office, that was "cyber mobbing" was it, have we all got to stay home and grumble quietly to ourselves about things from now on?”

Legitimate protest is one thing, an anonymous group of people trying to put someone out of business (Jason Wells) or getting them sacked from their job, as has happened with other similar cases, is another matter entirely.
GusGus
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

I agree but we are not of the chattering classes or rent-a-gobs to jump and down and have something to moan about nor of the angry cat fanatical brigade
But I don't suppose cats come and crap all over their gardens
Evo102
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Well how was s/he killed then, you sick, cowardly prick? ”

I'm not sure they're a poster on here, so you might have a bit of a wait.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“I'm not sure they're a poster on here, so you might have a bit of a wait.”

Not a problem, I could just as easily pose the same question in real life to this tool, if I wanted to

I won't, as I'm sure many others have already done so, but I could.
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

Your attitude is as sick as the people who did this in Caernarfon, how did they even know it was a "feral cat" for sure, could have been a lost kitten, then they would have also been hurting a family, people. - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...-body-12029179
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

But they are not vermin, and what you are suggesting would be illegal.

link

How do you know the cat wasn't someone's pet?
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Your attitude is as sick as the people who did this in Caernarfon, how did they even know it was a "feral cat" for sure, could have been a lost kitten, then they would have also been hurting a family, people. - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...-body-12029179”

Jesus - I reckon some people get off on cruelty, abuse and killing of animals that can't fight back. Cowardly creeps.
Lecate
08-12-2016
Ridiculously little information on this story. Doesn't stop people whipping themselves into a fury purely at the mention of a dead cat, though.

The manager says it was vicious and posed a present danger to peoples wellbeing, but obviously that can't possible be true as it was a cat and all cats are divine beings, far above any other living creature!
Evo102
08-12-2016
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blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“But same website, different page.

http://messybeast.com/ukferal.htm



So if the cat was indeed feral and destroyed in a humane manner then not illegal.”

No 1/ How would they know s/he was feral?

No 2/ If they won't answer the question as to how s/he was killed, then I'm calling it inhumane.

If they'd been considerate of the law, and not arseholes, they'd have trapped the cat and taken him/her to the RSPCA for consideration, not undertaken to kill him/her themselves, most probably, unprofessionally.

Why are you so hell bent on defending them?

Quote:
“The statement said: “The Royal Oak Hotel is able to confirm that RSPCA attended its premises on Saturday, December 3, following public concerns over an alleged incident with a feral cat.”

That would suggest to me that the incident was witnessed by guests. Not nice.
CSJB
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“But they are not vermin, and what you are suggesting would be illegal.

link

How do you know the cat wasn't someone's pet?”

Feral cats are classed as vermin under British law.
That doesn't excuse the actions of the hotel though.
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lecate:
“Ridiculously little information on this story. Doesn't stop people whipping themselves into a fury purely at the mention of a dead cat, though.

The manager says it was vicious and posed a present danger to peoples wellbeing, but obviously that can't possible be true as it was a cat and all cats are divine beings, far above any other living creature!”

You still don't kill it though do you, you get help, call the RSPCA, like any reasonable person would. Was it simply revenge because the cat "pissed" and ate some of the restaurant's food?
annette kurten
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“No 1/ How would they know s/he was feral?

No 2/ If they won't answer the question as to how s/he was killed, then I'm calling it inhumane.

If they'd been considerate of the law, and not arseholes, they'd have trapped the cat and taken him/her to the RSPCA for consideration, not undertaken to kill him/her themselves, most probably, unprofessionally.

Why are you so hell bent on defending them?



That would suggest to me that the incident was witnessed by guests. Not nice.”

my father had a feral cat he adopted as a kitten.

absolute horror it was, we certainly knew it was feral.

i am not exaggerating when i say it would fly for your face from across the room if it didn`t like the way you looked at it and if you pointed at it, it would damn near take your throat out.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Feral cats are classed as vermin under British law.
That doesn't excuse the actions of the hotel though.”

No they're not. There is no legal definition, but what guidance there is does not mention cats - link

Quote:
“8 Oct 2003 : Column WA60

Vermin

Lord Selsdon asked Her Majesty's Government:

Which mammals and other animals are classified as "vermin".[HL4559]
Lord Whitty: There is no definition of the term "vermin" in UK law. In such a situation the Oxford Dictionary definition should be applied.

The Oxford Dictionary defines "vermin" as "Animals of a noxious or objectionable kind. Originally applied to reptiles, stealthy, or slinky animals, and various wild beasts; now, excluding in US and Australia, almost entirely restricted to those animals or birds which prey upon preserved game . . ."

The Small Ground Vermin Traps Order 1958 and the various Spring Traps Approval Orders, refer to "small ground vermin". Neither the orders nor the Pests Act 1954, under which they are made, define this term or provide an exclusive list of species. However, the following animals are listed under various orders: moles, grey squirrels, rabbits, mink, stoats, weasels, rabbits, rats, and mice.

Traps approved under the Spring Traps Approval Order 1995 do not apply to small ground vermin listed in Schedules 5 and 6 to the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. This means that red squirrels, dormice, water voles, shrews, hedgehogs, polecats and a number of other species are excluded.”

Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Feral cats are classed as vermin under British law.
That doesn't excuse the actions of the hotel though.”

It also doesn't excuse British law which needs to be updated on the subject.,

I had a thought the other day that when someone kills psychopathically someone's pet cat or dog like in the linked story about Caernarfon, if they are caught, it shouldn't just be the death of the animal that they face charges of, but that the psychological damage to pet owners and the families should be taken into account also. This could legally mean, enough for a 10 year sentence.
Just think of the trauma you go through if someone has killed your pet cat, they should be doing time for a psychological assault on you too, I am actually thinking of campaigning for a change in the law in this direction, then we might see such scum going down for 10 years. The likes of Andrue could be looking at that long if he acted on it, just because a cat shat in a garden it's OK to use extreme violence.
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