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Staff in North Wales hotel kill kitten and management later condone it!
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Andrue
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lecate:
“Ridiculously little information on this story. Doesn't stop people whipping themselves into a fury purely at the mention of a dead cat, though.

The manager says it was vicious and posed a present danger to peoples wellbeing, but obviously that can't possible be true as it was a cat and all cats are divine beings, far above any other living creature!”

Yup. Knee jerk reactions. Boringly predictable.
Lecate
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“You still don't kill it though do you, you get help, call the RSPCA, like any reasonable person would. Was it simply revenge because the cat "pissed" and ate some of the restaurant's food?”

Maybe that wasn't an option? Like I said, with such little information on what actually happened it seems silly to me to hold such forceful views.
ricksb
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”

Humans are the biggest vermin on the planet.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“my father had a feral cat he adopted as a kitten.

absolute horror it was, we certainly knew it was feral.

i am not exaggerating when i say it would fly for your face from across the room if it didn`t like the way you looked at it and if you pointed at it, it would damn near take your throat out.”

Cats are only feral if they've had no contact with humans as kittens. If they have, then they're domesticated.

They're not a genetically different species of cat.

The behaviour you describe, sounds extreme anyway, but would be borne out of fear.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lecate:
“Maybe that wasn't an option? Like I said, with such little information on what actually happened it seems silly to me to hold such forceful views.”

Of course it was an option. It's not a dangerous wild animal that is going to delliberately seek out people and attack, unprovoked.
ricksb
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lecate:
“Ridiculously little information on this story. Doesn't stop people whipping themselves into a fury purely at the mention of a dead cat, though.

The manager says it was vicious and posed a present danger to peoples wellbeing, but obviously that can't possible be true as it was a cat and all cats are divine beings, far above any other living creature!”

Humans also pose a danger to people but you don't go round killing people that you don't like.
annette kurten
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Cats are only feral if they've had no contact with humans as kittens. If they have, then they're domesticated.

They're not a genetically different species of cat.

The behaviour you describe, sounds extreme anyway, but would be borne out of fear.”

it was a feral farm cat from a long line of feral farm cats, there IS a difference between domesticated and feral cats.

frightened it was not, ever, till the day it died [of old age].
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by contrarian:
“business comes first”

Well that has spectacularly failed hasn't it, wasn't good for business in the slightest!

Cat going mad in kitchen, I know we'll just kill it! Business comes first!

Word gets out, locals, customers, social media outraged, protest planned, FB page wrecked, low ratings = EPIC FAIL!
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Yup. Knee jerk reactions. Boringly predictable.”

I'm glad some people have some actual compassion rather than a sociopathic reaction such as yours. Boringly predictable and reassuring! In the UK you don't get to kill a cat under any circumstances, and you never should!
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Cats are only feral if they've had no contact with humans as kittens. If they have, then they're domesticated.

They're not a genetically different species of cat.

The behaviour you describe, sounds extreme anyway, but would be borne out of fear.”

And feral cats can become friendly once they trust someone, and be stroked etc.

You wouldn't execute a difficult child that was kicking off, no more excuse for a cat whose behaviour was based on fear.
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Sunday 18th 1pm, get down to Betws and show your support. It will be a peaceful protest - https://www.facebook.com/events/3875...81211268902685
Evo102
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Why are you so hell bent on defending them?”

Why are you so hell bent on condemning their actions when you haven't got the full story?
Lecate
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Of course it was an option. It's not a dangerous wild animal that is going to delliberately seek out people and attack, unprovoked.”

Assumptions and denials. From the information given that's exactly what it could have been doing. It probably didn't deliberately stalk humans, no, but it's very likely that found itself in their company and became dangerously violent, necessitating action.

Originally Posted by ricksb:
“Humans also pose a danger to people but you don't go round killing people that you don't like.”

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What a stupid response, if you think that's in a single way relevant to anything here.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it was a feral farm cat from a long line of feral farm cats, there IS a difference between domesticated and feral cats.

frightened it was not, ever, till the day it died [of old age].”

OK, read it here if you don't believe me.

There is a difference between a domestic and a feral cat, but it is not genetic. If a feral cat gets used to a human handler as a kitten, then it will be domesticated.

Here's another link

Quote:
“What is socialization?

We use the term “socialized” to mean cats who are friendly towards people—or cats who enjoy companionship with us in our homes.

Kittens becomes socialized by interacting with people—being held, spoken to, and played with—from an early age. If a kitten does not become accustomed to people holding her and petting her within this crucial window, she will grow up apprehensive of humans and will not be suited to or happy living in homes.”

Quote:
“What is the difference between a stray cat and a feral cat?

Pet and stray cats are socialized to people.

Feral cats are not socialized to people. While they are socialized to their colony members and bonded to each other, they do not have that same relationship with people.

A feral cat is a cat who has either never had any contact with humans or her contact with humans has diminished over time. She is fearful of people and survives on her own outdoors. A feral cat is not likely to ever become a lap cat or enjoy living indoors.

Kittens born to feral cats can be socialized at an early age and adopted into homes.”

blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“Why are you so hell bent on condemning their actions when you haven't got the full story?”

Because no civilized person would kill a cat that was on their premises. Simples.
Dave1979
08-12-2016
Their TripAdvisor reviews coincidentally seem to be taking a hammering.

Looking at their website their catering manager goes on birdwatching holidays. So he obviously loves cats.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Sunday 18th 1pm, get down to Betws and show your support. It will be a peaceful protest - https://www.facebook.com/events/3875...81211268902685”

Link not working, Bill.

I hope the creep who is responsible for the killing and/or the hotel owner, will have the courage to explain how the cat was killed, if not by a rolling pin.
Evo102
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Because no civilzed person would kill a cat that was on their premises. Simples.”

I agree, they should have trapped it and had it dispatched somewhere else out of the public gaze.

BTW I think you meant civilised, unless you are one of oyr American cousins?
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Because no civilzed person would kill a cat that was on their premises. Simples.”

Yes I would not be angry at the hotel if it was only some idiot staff that did it but the management thoroughly denounced it and was ashamed of what happened, but they're not, they are trying to justify it by saying it was OK to "dispose" of a cat, a 10 week old kitten at that just because it is feral, without turning to other avenues such as the RSPCA first, which I would hope the vast majority would. It is for this, that they would be best shutting down as a business or being sold to someone else, hopefully they cannot recover from their fully deserved PR disaster.
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“I agree, they should have trapped it and had it dispatched someone else out of the publuc gaze.

BTW I think you meant civilised, unless you are one of oyr American cousins?”

And if they could have done that instead, why not let it go, why the need to kill at all, there isn't any need at all to do so.

Shut the kitchen for a few hours and lose a bit of business whilst calling the RSPCA out. Far better than to lose a hell of a lot more business than that when word gets out you've killed a cat! It must have disgusted someone who worked there who witnessed it or word would not have got out as it has in the first place, so doing what they did was even more stupid if they thought everybody would be on board with it, they were thankfully not!
Lecate
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Yes I would not be angry at the hotel if it was only some idiot staff that did it but the management thoroughly denounced it and was ashamed of what happened, but they're not, they are trying to justify it by saying it was OK to "dispose" of a cat, a 10 week old kitten at that just because it is feral, without turning to other avenues such as the RSPCA first, which I would hope the vast majority would. It is for this, that they would be best shutting down as a business or being sold to someone else, hopefully they cannot recover from their fully deserved PR disaster.”

Where are you getting the information that the cat was a 10 week old kitten?

Edit: realised the pet comment was about a different story.
Bill Clinton
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“Well those protesting such things via social media could soon find themselves in hot water when the proposed amended legislation about cyber bullying and more specifically cyber mobbing comes into force.”

But if the government or the authorities are sympathetic to the protest they might even turn a blind eye, there is a cat in Downing Street, the government and police themselves might be pissed off with such a story.
blueblade
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Evo102:
“I agree, they should have trapped it and had it dispatched someone else out of the publuc gaze.

BTW I think you meant civilised, unless you are one of oyr American cousins?”

It's a bit rich to bring up spellings of the word civilized, when you post a completely nonsensical statement like the bit in bold.

But assuming you meant "somewhere else out of the public gaze", I disagree. They should have taken the cat to the RSPCA for advice. I know that many authorities now recommend that feral cats are neutered and returned to the wild.

By the way, for future reference, this is in the rules:-

Quote:
“Disruption: Unconstructive, off-topic and pointless posts
Unconstructive posts are posts that contribute nothing to a thread. This includes:
- Posting "I've sent you a message!" or "Check your PMs!". The forum software will inform the person they have a message. The rest of the forum doesn't need to know about it.
- Commenting on spelling/grammar: we ask that users make the effort to communicate clearly and, so long as posts are understandable, there should be no problem. ”

Deep Purple
08-12-2016
I cant see any justification for killing a cat like this.
Kid B
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Not just thin ice but fallen through it, how people can have sick opinions like yours I have no comprehension, I just hope you have a bad christmas etc.”

Agreed. Surely he was jesting.
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