Originally Posted by Toby LaRhone:
“And you believe your cat when it tells you that?”
“And you believe your cat when it tells you that?”
She stays in all the time. She doesn't go out. She's also timid.
Staff in North Wales hotel kill kitten and management later condone it!
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Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Cats are not vermin. Your comments are disgusting.”
“Cats are not vermin. Your comments are disgusting.”
I think it is legal to destroy feral cats on your property as long as you do it humanely and don't cause the animal unnecessary suffering. I believe that you also run the risk of being charged with criminal damage if you get a feral mixed up with someone's pet and you kill it.
Originally Posted by alan29:
“The massive increase in the number of domestic cats is causing havoc with our bird population.
OK, not evil, but they are highly efficient killers of wildlife. If they didn't look so cute they would be detested. Their looks disguise their nature.”
“The massive increase in the number of domestic cats is causing havoc with our bird population.
OK, not evil, but they are highly efficient killers of wildlife. If they didn't look so cute they would be detested. Their looks disguise their nature.”
No it isn't. The birds they catch would most likely die anyway as they are slow and weak.
Even the RSPB say that cat to bird predation is not the issue causing decline in bird populations.
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“Despite the large numbers of birds killed, there is no scientific evidence that predation by cats in gardens is having any impact on bird populations UK-wide. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease, or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.
It is likely that most of the birds killed by cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season.
We also know that of the millions of baby birds hatched each year, most will die before they reach breeding age. This is also quite natural, and each pair needs only to rear two young that survive to breeding age to replace themselves and maintain the population.”
“Despite the large numbers of birds killed, there is no scientific evidence that predation by cats in gardens is having any impact on bird populations UK-wide. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease, or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.
It is likely that most of the birds killed by cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season.
We also know that of the millions of baby birds hatched each year, most will die before they reach breeding age. This is also quite natural, and each pair needs only to rear two young that survive to breeding age to replace themselves and maintain the population.”
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“I think it is legal to destroy feral cats on your property as long as you do it humanely and don't cause the animal unnecessary suffering. I believe that you also run the risk of being charged with criminal damage if you get a feral mixed up with someone's pet and you kill it.”
“I think it is legal to destroy feral cats on your property as long as you do it humanely and don't cause the animal unnecessary suffering. I believe that you also run the risk of being charged with criminal damage if you get a feral mixed up with someone's pet and you kill it.”
I think you run the risk of a lot more than that, especially if your name gets onto facebook locally, as Mr Cat Killer of 17 Acacia Avenue, or whatever.
I cannot fathom the reasoning of this at all other than animal cruelty. If a cat, stray or otherwise isn't wanted then the RSPCA or any rescue centre will collect them without charge.
The Hotel won't be doing much business after this. Twitter and FB have gone ballistic.
The Hotel won't be doing much business after this. Twitter and FB have gone ballistic.
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”
“Personally I classify all cats that are allowed to wander where they want as vermin. As long as the cat was killed humanely I'm fine with it.”
Why stop at cats - dogs and kids too.
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“I cannot fathom the reasoning of this at all other than animal cruelty. If a cat, stray or otherwise isn't wanted then the RSPCA or any rescue centre will collect them without charge.
The Hotel won't be doing much business after this. Twitter and FB have gone ballistic.”
“I cannot fathom the reasoning of this at all other than animal cruelty. If a cat, stray or otherwise isn't wanted then the RSPCA or any rescue centre will collect them without charge.
The Hotel won't be doing much business after this. Twitter and FB have gone ballistic.”
Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Dogs kill children quite often.”
“Dogs kill children quite often.”
So your definition of ve4ry rarely is "quite often"
Dogs are mans best friend
Originally Posted by postit:
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
No outside door to a commercial kitchen should be opened at all other than to bring goods in. If it's a fire door then it shouldn't be opened, not even for goods.
As for hitting it. What on earth for?
Originally Posted by postit:
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
and if I saw you do that, I would not hesitate to report you to the RSPCA and the police, for animal abuse.
If a cat is in your kitchen, all you need to do is step towards it saying "shoo" and it will fly out of the door. You don't need to hurt it. That would be purely for your own personal gratification of inflicting pain on a defenceless creature
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“So your definition of ve4ry rarely is "quite often"
Dogs are mans best friend”
“So your definition of ve4ry rarely is "quite often"
Dogs are mans best friend”
But not when they kill your kid.
Originally Posted by postit:
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
From the sound of it, neither do you.
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“So your definition of ve4ry rarely is "quite often"
Dogs are mans best friend”
“So your definition of ve4ry rarely is "quite often"
Dogs are mans best friend”
They arent to young children.
Originally Posted by postit:
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
“Has anyone had cause to call out the RSPCA lately? You'd be very lucky to get them to come out at all, or if they do it takes hours. Now, if I were working in a busy hotel kitchen and a cat strolled in, scabby cat, glossy, obviously well kept cat doesn't matter - said cat would get a heavy pan headed in it's direction. Cats do NOT belong in kitchens.”
If a child comes unwanted in your kitchen, do you hit it with a pan too?
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“and if I saw you do that, I would not hesitate to report you to the RSPCA and the police, for animal abuse.
If a cat is in your kitchen, all you need to do is step towards it saying "shoo" and it will fly out of the door. You don't need to hurt it. That would be purely for your own personal gratification of inflicting pain on a defenceless creature”
“and if I saw you do that, I would not hesitate to report you to the RSPCA and the police, for animal abuse.
If a cat is in your kitchen, all you need to do is step towards it saying "shoo" and it will fly out of the door. You don't need to hurt it. That would be purely for your own personal gratification of inflicting pain on a defenceless creature”
BIB - yeah, good luck with that.
As for the rest of your assertion, you're wrong. I would never hurt a living thing, I even trap spiders and carry them outside, so I would ask you to rein in your vicious accusations.
Originally Posted by postit:
“BIB - yeah, good luck with that.
As for the rest of your assertion, you're wrong. I would never hurt a living thing, I even trap spiders and carry them outside, so I would ask you to rein in your vicious accusations.”
“BIB - yeah, good luck with that.
As for the rest of your assertion, you're wrong. I would never hurt a living thing, I even trap spiders and carry them outside, so I would ask you to rein in your vicious accusations.”
They're not accusations matey. You've already said you would throw a heavy pan at a cat in your kitchen. So it's a statement of fact.
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“You still don't kill it though do you, you get help, call the RSPCA, like any reasonable person would. Was it simply revenge because the cat "pissed" and ate some of the restaurant's food?”
“You still don't kill it though do you, you get help, call the RSPCA, like any reasonable person would. Was it simply revenge because the cat "pissed" and ate some of the restaurant's food?”
It probably strolled in and demanded a drink of water.
If next door's cat tries to wander into my kitchen when I've got the back door open, I just need to look at her and she runs away.
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“They're not accusations matey. You've already said you would throw a heavy pan at a cat in your kitchen. So it's a statement of fact.”
“They're not accusations matey. You've already said you would throw a heavy pan at a cat in your kitchen. So it's a statement of fact.”
Why not answer the bigger question dearie. Have you tried calling out the RSPCA lately as you suggest? If you have a feral cat in a busy kitchen, is that kitchen equipped to trap it, or catch it for that matter? I'd hesitate to catch a creature with teeth and claws, so yes, by all means, call the RSPCA and wait, and wait, and wait. Meanwhile said cat is wandering all over kitchen surfaces. If a heavy pot sent it's way would scare it out then a pot every time.
Originally Posted by Toby LaRhone:
“Get a grip Bill.
It's not the hotel that you harassed at 1.30am because they wouldn't give you a glass of water is it?”
“Get a grip Bill.
It's not the hotel that you harassed at 1.30am because they wouldn't give you a glass of water is it?”
That was my first thought!
Originally Posted by postit:
“Why not answer the bigger question dearie. Have you tried calling out the RSPCA lately as you suggest? If you have a feral cat in a busy kitchen, is that kitchen equipped to trap it, or catch it for that matter? I'd hesitate to catch a creature with teeth and claws, so yes, by all means, call the RSPCA and wait, and wait, and wait. Meanwhile said cat is wandering all over kitchen surfaces. If a heavy pot sent it's way would scare it out then a pot every time.”
“Why not answer the bigger question dearie. Have you tried calling out the RSPCA lately as you suggest? If you have a feral cat in a busy kitchen, is that kitchen equipped to trap it, or catch it for that matter? I'd hesitate to catch a creature with teeth and claws, so yes, by all means, call the RSPCA and wait, and wait, and wait. Meanwhile said cat is wandering all over kitchen surfaces. If a heavy pot sent it's way would scare it out then a pot every time.”
I've already said, all you need to do is walk towards it and tell it to shoo, and it will run out of the door. Then call the RSPCA if you have continuing concerns. They will set up a humane trap and if the cat continues to hang around the vicinity, then it will probably be caught.
As far as the heavy pot, what happened to "I wouldn't hurt a living thing"?
I swear to God, what the hell is going on in the world? A megalomaniac as the next POTUS and people willing a successful hotel to go down the gurgler along with all it's staff being laid off for the sake of a flaming stray cat!
Originally Posted by postit:
“If you have a feral cat in a busy kitchen, is that kitchen equipped to trap it, or catch it for that matter?”
“If you have a feral cat in a busy kitchen, is that kitchen equipped to trap it, or catch it for that matter?”
The question which should be asked which no doubt has been by the RSPCA and i suspect Environmental Health who will have paid them a visit, is how the cat came to be inside the kitchen at all.
The owners had better have a good explanation for that. If an outer fire door has been left open they could find themselves facing a fine but will certainly get a written warning. An internal door to the kitchen should be self closing.
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“If a heavy pot sent it's way would scare it out then a pot every time.”
“If a heavy pot sent it's way would scare it out then a pot every time.”
But you've previously stated,
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“I would never hurt a living thing.”
“I would never hurt a living thing.”
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Not just thin ice but fallen through it, how people can have sick opinions like yours I have no comprehension, I just hope you have a bad christmas etc.”
“Not just thin ice but fallen through it, how people can have sick opinions like yours I have no comprehension, I just hope you have a bad christmas etc.”
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“Your attitude is as sick as the people who did this in Caernarfon, how did they even know it was a "feral cat" for sure, could have been a lost kitten, then they would have also been hurting a family, people. - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...-body-12029179”
“Your attitude is as sick as the people who did this in Caernarfon, how did they even know it was a "feral cat" for sure, could have been a lost kitten, then they would have also been hurting a family, people. - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...-body-12029179”
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“It also doesn't excuse British law which needs to be updated on the subject.,
I had a thought the other day that when someone kills psychopathically someone's pet cat or dog like in the linked story about Caernarfon, if they are caught, it shouldn't just be the death of the animal that they face charges of, but that the psychological damage to pet owners and the families should be taken into account also. This could legally mean, enough for a 10 year sentence.
Just think of the trauma you go through if someone has killed your pet cat, they should be doing time for a psychological assault on you too, I am actually thinking of campaigning for a change in the law in this direction, then we might see such scum going down for 10 years. The likes of Andrue could be looking at that long if he acted on it, just because a cat shat in a garden it's OK to use extreme violence.”
“It also doesn't excuse British law which needs to be updated on the subject.,
I had a thought the other day that when someone kills psychopathically someone's pet cat or dog like in the linked story about Caernarfon, if they are caught, it shouldn't just be the death of the animal that they face charges of, but that the psychological damage to pet owners and the families should be taken into account also. This could legally mean, enough for a 10 year sentence.
Just think of the trauma you go through if someone has killed your pet cat, they should be doing time for a psychological assault on you too, I am actually thinking of campaigning for a change in the law in this direction, then we might see such scum going down for 10 years. The likes of Andrue could be looking at that long if he acted on it, just because a cat shat in a garden it's OK to use extreme violence.”
Originally Posted by Bill Clinton:
“I'm glad some people have some actual compassion rather than a sociopathic reaction such as yours. Boringly predictable and reassuring! In the UK you don't get to kill a cat under any circumstances, and you never should!”
“I'm glad some people have some actual compassion rather than a sociopathic reaction such as yours. Boringly predictable and reassuring! In the UK you don't get to kill a cat under any circumstances, and you never should!”
Why such hostility and venom?!
(Unless you're on some kind of WU Mission)I could understand the reactions if a young child had been deliberately killed, but we are talking about a cat here.
I really can't understand some of the fanaticism displayed by some cat owners. It's reminiscent of the emotions and vitriol displayed by religious hardliners and hard-core football supporters.
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