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Old 11-12-2016, 03:16
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I wonder what a 'small apartment' means, poor bastards are living in royal bedsits ?
A single room with a kitchenette and a futon, with a shared bathroom at the other end of a long corridor.
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:12
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BP is state owned so like the PoW the refurb ( well update ) will be carried out, a refurb that means it will bring it into line with the modern day world in health and safety terms as some of it is dangerous

But whilst the media shout taxpayers money and the government is happy for that to be said as it took them off the front pages for a short while exactly what taxes that we have paid in ( PAYE, NI, VAT, CGT etc etc ) is being used ? none the money will come from Crown Estate profits
I don't think that the expense or indeed financial benefits of the Monarchy are significant factors in any debate about retaining them but this is misleading.
Crown Estate profits are as much a part of the nations assets as monies received via taxation.
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Old 11-12-2016, 18:24
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I don't think that the expense or indeed financial benefits of the Monarchy are significant factors in any debate about retaining them but this is misleading.
Crown Estate profits are as much a part of the nations assets as monies received via taxation.
Crown Estate profits are not taxation they are profits that are given to the government ,to my mind that is very different to tax. The Crown Estate is an independent commercial business which has over the past ten years given £2.4 billion of profits to the Treasury .
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Old 11-12-2016, 18:29
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Crown Estate profits are not taxation they are profits that are given to the government ,to my mind that is very different to tax. The Crown Estate is an independent commercial business which has over the past ten years given £2.4 billion of profits to the Treasury .
I did not say they where taxation. I said they are national asset. Are you disputing that?

Obviously as a National asset the profits go to the Nation. Where else would they go?
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Old 11-12-2016, 19:34
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But so true
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Old 11-12-2016, 19:37
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Christ all that freeloading has clearly had a horrid effect on them.

Give them whatever title their sad deluded father demands because at the end of the day to everyone else their titles mean sweet sod all.
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Old 11-12-2016, 20:47
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I did not say they where taxation. I said they are national asset. Are you disputing that?

Obviously as a National asset the profits go to the Nation. Where else would they go?
You didn't but the media did which was my original point, they have played it out as though taxes we have paid in are then being diverted to pay for the works.
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Old 11-12-2016, 20:56
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You didn't but the media did which was my original point, they have played it out as though taxes we have paid in are then being diverted to pay for the works.
National assets are being diverted. What does it matter if the source is taxation or Crown Estate Income?
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Old 11-12-2016, 21:20
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National assets are being diverted. What does it matter if the source is taxation or Crown Estate Income?
10% of profits from a commercial enterprise are going to be used to make the place safe and preserve it for the future I know some people want it demolished or turned into a hotel or homeless hostel but like any other country with their own focal point BP is a focal point for the UK overseas and should be preserved . BP is not managed by the Crown Estate but the government took responsibility for its repairs etc years back when the Crown Estate profits were signed over and it is owned by the state and the government is responsible for it as it has been for hundreds of years.

For the tabloid media to get people believing their PAYE etc ( and many do) is paying for it is wrong, what I am saying is the media should have been more honest rather than going for sensationalist headlines.
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Old 11-12-2016, 21:47
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10% of profits from a commercial enterprise are going to be used to make the place safe and preserve it for the future I know some people want it demolished or turned into a hotel or homeless hostel but like any other country with their own focal point BP is a focal point for the UK overseas and should be preserved . BP is not managed by the Crown Estate but the government took responsibility for its repairs etc years back when the Crown Estate profits were signed over and it is owned by the state and the government is responsible for it as it has been for hundreds of years.

For the tabloid media to get people believing their PAYE etc ( and many do) is paying for it is wrong, what I am saying is the media should have been more honest rather than going for sensationalist headlines.
The Crown Estates may be run as a commercial enterprise but they are a national asset. The government is (as you say) responsible for Buck House maintenance and they are paying for it. Hence (as you appear to be agreeing) the funds come from government revenue which both PAYE revenue and Crown Estates profits etc contribute to.
You seem to be suggesting that the media is misrepresenting something here. perhaps you can cite exactly what that is?
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Old 11-12-2016, 21:54
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Just to add that HMG and the Royal Trustees have no doubt that what is being spent on Buck House is nothing other that tax payers money ;

These works will be funded through a temporary increase in the Sovereign Grant from 15% to 25% of the Crown Estate’s profits for the duration of the 10 year works, the Royal Trustees said in a report published today. Parliament will hold the Royal Household to account throughout the process to ensure maximum value for taxpayers’ money.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/f...palace-granted
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Old 11-12-2016, 22:20
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The Crown Estates may be run as a commercial enterprise but they are a national asset. The government is (as you say) responsible for Buck House maintenance and they are paying for it. Hence (as you appear to be agreeing) the funds come from government revenue which both PAYE revenue and Crown Estates profits etc contribute to.
You seem to be suggesting that the media is misrepresenting something here. perhaps you can cite exactly what that is?
Not just the media in the way they describe it but the petition set up to my mind is just silly , I mean look at the wording


"Buckingham Palace is about to be given a £369m ($457.5m) refurbishment. Tax payers are paying for it. The Crown and its estates should be made to fund its own renovations," reads a description on the petition started by a person named Mark Johnson.


Well the Crown Estates are paying for it from profits how else could the Crown pay for it ?

If they mean the Queen should pay for a state building from personal funds does that mean they should also ask the PM to pay for any maintenance to 10 Downing Street and Chequers ?
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Old 11-12-2016, 22:32
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Not just the media in the way they describe it but the petition set up to my mind is just silly , I mean look at the wording


"Buckingham Palace is about to be given a £369m ($457.5m) refurbishment. Tax payers are paying for it. The Crown and its estates should be made to fund its own renovations," reads a description on the petition started by a person named Mark Johnson.


Well the Crown Estates are paying for it from profits how else could the Crown pay for it ?

If they mean the Queen should pay for a state building from personal funds does that mean they should also ask the PM to pay for any maintenance to 10 Downing Street and Chequers ?
Not a petition I have mentioned; signed or agree with. Perhaps if you quote my posts you could reply to the points they make.?
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