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1933 to 1938 do you join?
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Mark A
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by himerus:
“Hitler came to power the year I was born. His influence on my life was quite significant.”

Yes, but what part did you play in his downfall?
Gilbertoo
09-12-2016
This reminds me of a comment I made in a previous thread about Trump's election victory.

The general gist of the comment was that I'm worried that if what we saw during his campaign is left unchecked, not before too long, we'll have a new brand of Brownshirts 'ensuring' maximum support at various rallies.

It's difficult to answer the question, though.

I think age would play a factor in this, but on balance, looking at where the party had got do by 1933, I would have found it difficult to actively support them. But, when confronted by groups such as the Brownshirts, I'd also find it difficult to actively oppose them.

So, all in all, it sounds like I'd be a part of the German resistance.
RobinOfLoxley
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ben_Copland:
“I've always wondered what it would feel like physically and emotionally to commit murder. Of course I'd never act on it, but going off that, I most likely would.”

I went for an RAF Interview when I was 16 (Possible sponsorship through the rest of school and Uni)

One of the questions was

"Two of you are being chased through the Jungle. You have a gun with one bullet. Your mate has a broken ankle. The Enemy will kill you horrifically. What do you do?"


I answered that I would club him to death and keep the gun and bullet for later.

I'm not sure that was the correct answer
Gilbertoo
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“I went for an RAF Interview when I was 16 (Possible sponsorship through the rest of school and Uni)

One of the questions was

"Two of you are being chased through the Jungle. You have a gun with one bullet. Your mate has a broken ankle. The Enemy will kill you horrifically. What do you do?"


I answered that I would club him to death and keep the gun and bullet for later.

I'm not sure that was the correct answer ”

The answer you gave may well have been irrelevant. They were probably gauging your ability to quickly answer a tricky moral dilemma. I suspect that if you answered fairly quickly, then that was the correct answer.
anne_666
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by phylo_roadking:
“That one is easy; from February 33 until the Blood Purge, Hitler intentionally let the SA off the leash in a period of prolonged pro-Nazi violence, just like Mao's Cultural Revolution. Houses and businesses not displaying the Swastika could be attacked, people not saluting it as the SA marched passed were beaten up etc. So it was indoctrinated into them by violence and intimidation, so much so that when Hitler at last clamped down on the SA people were GRATEFUL to him!!!”

This. Fascism in all it's glory. It wasn't like joining a local UK Parliamentary party. Freedom of choice as we know it, didn't come into it.
Horace Wimp
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by theid:
“Also one of the first groups to be arrested by the Nazis along with Trade Union members, socialists and homosexuals!”

yep, and they did some bad things too
RobinOfLoxley
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“The answer you gave may well have been irrelevant. They were probably gauging your ability to quickly answer a tricky moral dilemma. I suspect that if you answered fairly quickly, then that was the correct answer.”

I've learned through life that there are never 'correct answers', but these moral dilemmas make us think.


(I never joined the RAF in the end. They would have wanted me for 22 years, after paying for my A Levels and Uni. So The State paid for those and when I graduated I'd gone off the idea of a life in the Military)
Ben_Copland
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“I've learned through life that there are never 'correct answers', but these moral dilemmas make us think.


(I never joined the RAF in the end. They would have wanted me for 22 years, after paying for my A Levels and Uni. So The State paid for those and when I graduated I'd gone off the idea of a life in the Military)”

Sod having no respawns!
TerraCanis
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by phylo_roadking:
“That one is easy; from February 33 until the Blood Purge, Hitler intentionally let the SA off the leash in a period of prolonged pro-Nazi violence, just like Mao's Cultural Revolution. Houses and businesses not displaying the Swastika could be attacked, people not saluting it as the SA marched passed were beaten up etc. So it was indoctrinated into them by violence and intimidation, so much so that when Hitler at last clamped down on the SA people were GRATEFUL to him!!!”

At the risk of straying dangerously far into Godwin territory...

Whenever I see the latest demagogue de jour being compared to Hitler, I often find myself wondering whether they're more of a modern-day Röhm.
phylo_roadking
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tassium:
“We know that most people support all the things that fascists wish to do. Initially.

Eventually, when the reality is shown to be cruel/inhuman, there is a movement away.

In a democracy this usually means the fascists fall. So fascists make sure there is no democracy.”

It had nothing to do with the realities - the Americans in particular paraded the locals through their nearest liberated concentration camps...and they STILL very often denied it had happened, or said the Allies manufactured it all, or that despite the conditions and the evil it was all necessary.

What changed most "fair-weather nazis" away was simply LOSING...its amazing how all those Party pins vanished when the Yanks rolled into town in March or April 1945, and how the poor downtrodden herrenvolk streamed out to welcome them....and how all the local prominent Nazis mysteriously vanished! In fact after a couple of weeks it became standard operating procedure to arrest the FIRST and loudest to deny they were ever Nazis - as they mist likely the local gauleiter and Party functionaries LOL
worzil
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by phylo_roadking:
“That one is easy; from February 33 until the Blood Purge, Hitler intentionally let the SA off the leash in a period of prolonged pro-Nazi violence, just like Mao's Cultural Revolution. Houses and businesses not displaying the Swastika could be attacked, people not saluting it as the SA marched passed were beaten up etc. So it was indoctrinated into them by violence and intimidation, so much so that when Hitler at last clamped down on the SA people were GRATEFUL to him!!!”

If europe had of help the Germans after WW1 with its reconstruction Hitler would never have happen.
It was the poor and the unemployed and the conditions people where living in that inspired the Nazism .
We learned by that and set about helping the Germans after WW2 and look at them now on top of the hill.
The same could be said of the Japanese after WW2 .
My dad alway said if you met an alien and asked it who won WW2 they would say Germany and Japan.
Leicester_Hunk
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“Join what?”

Don't be stupid, be a smartie,
Come on and join the Nazi Party
academia
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Phil Dodd:
“Hitler apparently was around 5 feet 8 or 9 which was average or slightly above, and he wasn't blonde, so how did he get a drink ?

He was given a soft-top VW Beetle as a 50th birthday present, but no drink ?”

He didn't drink or smoke and he was against fox hunting. Good guy by today's standards.
Phoenix Lazarus
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by dreadnought:
“Don't be stupid, be a smarty
Come and join the Nazi party !
”

Prefer this one, myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a20pAUy1Mes
LakieLady
09-12-2016
As a socialist and a trade unionist, I'd have been rounded up at quite an early stage, I think.

I think a lot of people just went along with it out of fear, and because it became a sort of socil norm.
GusGus
09-12-2016
Look at Farage today, enough people have been taken in by him
dave2702
09-12-2016
It always easy to think that you wouldn't join but just standing by and doing nothing due to fear was the problem many Germans had. My Father's mother felt terribly guilty over the way they just stood by and did nothing when the nice Jewish family were taken away

We like to think that we'd have done something but doing so was likely to get you taken along with them, and what would have happened to your spouse and kids. Standing by and doing nothing is so much easier

My Mother's parents were Dutch Communists and eventually ended up in a camp but managed to survive

You try complaining about your life to a mother who lived through that
cobaye22
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“Look at Farage today, enough people have been taken in by him”

If only the Gremans would have helped after the financial crisis Farage would never happen.
phylo_roadking
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“As a socialist and a trade unionist, I'd have been rounded up at quite an early stage, I think.

I think a lot of people just went along with it out of fear, and because it became a sort of socil norm.”

If you had been an active Socialist or even centrist politician, or trade union activist, then yes; but if just a socialist voter or union member then maybe subject to a lit of intimidation...not many parts of Germany had secret ballots then...but you'd have had an opportunity to move over to the new National Socialist workers' unions

The Nazis were sneaky that way, they simply subverted whole organisations en bloc. The Mothers' Union overnight became the National Socialist Mothers' Union, with new stationery with the new name and swastika reaching branches' months later LOL It was a plank in the indoctrination process that made it all acceptable, the swastika and NS title eventually appearing on everything possible. Hundreds of thousands' good Germans found themselves National Socialists without realising.

And after the first arrest waves...who on earth was going to stand up and say they didn't want to be part of any such organisation???
razorback Tony
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“As a socialist and a trade unionist, I'd have been rounded up at quite an early stage, I think.

I think a lot of people just went along with it out of fear, and because it became a sort of socil norm.”


A guy I went to school with, enlisted in the army in the mid 80s, and after basic training was posted to Northern Germany.
He always had a thing for blondes, and he got captured by a fräulein and that was it, he married her and never came back.
When his father-in-law died, he was asked to help clear out the basement of his in-laws house, he told me that he found a loaded Luger, SS runes, a death's head cap badge, and photos of his f-I-l in SS uniform.
He couldn't understand it, he said the old guy was the most gentle, polite person that he'd ever met, all he knew of any war connection was that he would collect annually for the German equivalent of ex servicemen clubs.
I said that I understood that the SS were entirely volunteers, but my friend said that he had found his f-I-l's pay book, he had volunteered for the Kriegsmarine, (Navy), at age 17 in 1940, but when it was discovered that he was an excellent shot, he was transferred into the Wehrmacht as a rifleman, from there the SS apparently creamed off the best, and he was sent for sniper training with them.
He was wounded at Kursk in 1943, sent home to the Fatherland to recover, then sent to France, where he was captured in Alsace, and released in 1946.
My friend said that his mother-in-law had been aware of the SS bit, but the daughter, (my friend's wife), had no idea, just knew that her dad had been in the war, but knew nothing of the SS, plus she wasn't born until 1968.
EStaffs90
09-12-2016
As they'd probably classify me as a homosexual (even though *I* wouldn't), I'd be sent to the camps.
Fairyprincess0
09-12-2016
No. No. No!!!!

Id never join the Mickey mouse fan club.....
Fairyprincess0
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by EStaffs90:
“As they'd probably classify me as a homosexual (even though *I* wouldn't), I'd be sent to the camps.”

Yeah. Id end up with a pink triangle.....
Fizzbin
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Fairyprincess0:
“Yeah. Id end up with a pink triangle.....”

Yes, the pink triangle was for any sexual 'crime' (even though being TS is bugger all to do with sex).

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-co...gs-700x575.jpg
eggchen
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by phylo_roadking:
“That one is easy; from February 33 until the Blood Purge, Hitler intentionally let the SA off the leash in a period of prolonged pro-Nazi violence, just like Mao's Cultural Revolution. Houses and businesses not displaying the Swastika could be attacked, people not saluting it as the SA marched passed were beaten up etc. So it was indoctrinated into them by violence and intimidation, so much so that when Hitler at last clamped down on the SA people were GRATEFUL to him!!!”

Originally Posted by anne_666:
“This. Fascism in all it's glory. It wasn't like joining a local UK Parliamentary party. Freedom of choice as we know it, didn't come into it.”

Thanks for the responses. I think what I was getting at was how quickly and completely the Nazis managed to cultivate and establish the entire aesthetic. When you look at some of the colour photos from Berlin in the late 1930's when Hitler was addressing the rallies, they are terrifying in that they have thousands of uniformed SS, the eagle motif, masses of red banners bearing the swastika, thousands making the salute. It is almost surreal and otherworldly, even rather breathtaking in its scale.
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