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Manx Radio 1368 to close ?
The board of Manx Radio have said in the latest annual report that they want to close 1368 AM in 2019 because the equipment is at end of life and they don't think replacing it would be good value for money.
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Time to get island-wide DAB up and running then!
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There was a tread about this back in July including a copy of the annual report.
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Shame for the Caroline North broadcasts. Still, it's a couple of years away yet.
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Shame for the Caroline North broadcasts. Still, it's a couple of years away yet.
Northern supporters could get Caroline put on the Manchester minimux or other muxes? Or go for AM community licence(s) for round 4 which may be in say 2018 before 1368 closes? |
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Is there any part of the Isle of Man where people are dependent on AM? Is there no room on the FM band for a supplementary service so Manx Radio AM can move to FM?
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Is there any part of the Isle of Man where people are dependent on AM? Is there no room on the FM band for a supplementary service so Manx Radio AM can move to FM?
Annual report P24 FM will also be switched off sometime after 2020, leaving just DAB+ and internet distribution. |
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This is excellent news for Caroline, two more years of possible AM broadcasts if the partnership continues, that's great news
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Time to get island-wide DAB up and running then!
Not sure why it closed or why it was never renewed. |
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The board of Manx Radio have said in the latest annual report that they want to close 1368 AM in 2019 because the equipment is at end of life and they don't think replacing it would be good value for money.
I thought it came into service in October 1978 (slightly before the changes on 1st November that year), replacing the old 232 metre and 188 metre transmitters. Surely it's not that old ? |
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Annual report P24 FM will also be switched off sometime after 2020, leaving just DAB+ and internet distribution.
Some time after 2020 isn't very specific. Surely FM won't go until enough people are listening on DAB, unless the other stations on the island want too stop broadcasting on FM also. |
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A FM transmitter was added to Peel 2014 but AM and FM costs much more than a DAB+ and internet slot to run, so they are looking at potential cost savings. Quote:
How old is the transmitter ?
I thought it came into service in October 1978 (slightly before the changes on 1st November that year), replacing the old 232 metre and 188 metre transmitters. Surely it's not that old ? http://mm.aiircdn.com/147/5810c5303f593.pdf the AM transmitters are 25 and 35 years old and the mast is 50+ years old and getting more expensive to support. |
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I have heard Manx Radio on AM and it sounds better than stations in Great Britain. I would not have thought from hearing it that the transmitte was old. I thought there was just one transmitter on 1368?
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I thought there was just one transmitter on 1368?
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Our AM transmitter at Foxdale did experience a fault necessitating it being taken out of
service for a day while the fault was identified and repairs undertaken. However, coverage was not affected as we were able to bring the aging backup transmitter into service. |
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Is there any part of the Isle of Man where people are dependent on AM? Is there no room on the FM band for a supplementary service so Manx Radio AM can move to FM?
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Some time after 2020 isn't very specific. Surely FM won't go until enough people are listening on DAB, unless the other stations on the island want too stop broadcasting on FM also.
All existing FM stations (Manx, Energy, 3FM) could be carried on the SFN, along with Manx Radio's TT pop-up services and Tynwald coverage. There'd still be plenty of room for a selection of other services - for instance, community radio or selected UK stations. It would lead to increased choice and better reception for islanders. The only people I can see who would be irritated by such a move would be Radio Caroline fans on the UK west coast! |
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The only people I can see who would be irritated by such a move would be Radio Caroline fans on the UK west coast!
Remember it's been on air since 1964 so must be doing something right ---- Please don't post that it's available on line --- I know --- but I don't stream from my mobile phone to the car radio which is where I do most of the listening. Regards |
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For a relatively self-contained community like the Isle of Man, a DAB+ multiplex covering the island makes perfect sense.
Also, considering the number of stations, what difference does it make whether it is DAB+ or just DAB? |
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From a technical perspective it may make sense, but if most people listen to radio on FM on the Isle of Man, it doesn't make sense.
Also, considering the number of stations, what difference does it make whether it is DAB+ or just DAB? http://radiotoday.co.uk/2009/11/dab-...n-isle-of-man/ If there is still a lot of sets unable to upgrade then stations on a new mux could stay standard DAB if these sets can't be updated to DAB+. Some stations may prefer to go DAB+ to reduce operating costs. |
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It's not only during the Radio Caroline end of month collaborations that I listen to Manx Radio ------ it's an excellent station in it's own right.
Remember it's been on air since 1964 so must be doing something right ---- Please don't post that it's available on line --- I know --- but I don't stream from my mobile phone to the car radio which is where I do most of the listening. Regards |
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It will still be another 2 years before 1368 closes and by then more UK community AM transmitters might relay Caroline, or might be easier to stream in a car, or Caroline will be more likely on more DAB muxes and car adaptors will be cheaper?
Still be a shame to lose Manx Radio though ----- Regards |
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From a technical perspective it may make sense, but if most people listen to radio on FM on the Isle of Man, it doesn't make sense.
Also, considering the number of stations, what difference does it make whether it is DAB+ or just DAB? Anyone buying an old-style DAB radio now deserves what they get. I was amazed to see a number of non-tickmarked radios for sale in a large supermarket just this week. Surely it's time to get these off the shelves. |
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Anyone buying an old-style DAB radio now deserves what they get.
![]() If someone sees a digital radio at Tesco with a shelf label saying New, why on earth should they expect it to be already obsolete? Ditto with John Lewis and Sainsbury's own brands. These companies are simply ripping people off. Quote:
I was amazed to see a number of non-tickmarked radios for sale in a large supermarket just this week. Surely it's time to get these off the shelves.
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With only the BBC multiplex on-air currently, the Isle of Man is almost a virgin market for DAB. No new digital radio deployment in the late 2010s should be using the ancient MP2 codec when AAC+ is a proven technology.
Anyone buying an old-style DAB radio now deserves what they get. I was amazed to see a number of non-tickmarked radios for sale in a large supermarket just this week. Surely it's time to get these off the shelves. |
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Here are the details of the DAB trial on the Island that ran between 2002 and 2003. Operators were Virgin Radio and Crown Castle.
The Isle of Man government decided not to pursue DAB because of costs: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/ukloc.html#IoM |
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