Not true, subsequently research found 64% of young people registered to vote did vote, still considerably less of course than the percentage of older voters and I know it does not reflect those unregistered although I doubt that these amount to the >50% figure required for your 3/4 figure to be anywhere near right

Of people over 18, therefore eligible to vote through registration, it's thought by some polling gurus that perhaps only around a quarter of those aged 18 to 24 actually voted, easily the lowest of any age grouping, percentage wise. Some more optimistic estimates put it at up to 36%, see below from one 'straw poll'.
The real issue is that the 40ish-60ish age group is a huge generation (youngest Boomers and oldest Boomers' children) and as well as beating the youngsters on sheer numbers they also squashed them on turn out. Of course this group was strongly titled in favour of Leave.
No one has the exact figures, but this is one of the most regularly quoted estimates by Remainers, from a Sky poll turn out filter:
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%

Classy thread...

The country is in effect already bankrupt. However, we're unlikely to be alone.
The whole world is going through a very unstable period with a race to the bottom forced onto the masses by those at the top.
It's no coincidence that the economic policies and financial regulations are leading several countries down the same path, but the issues going back to pre-2008 have never been addressed for a reason.

We'll go through years of unrest, then return to a policy of economic and political partnerships. In time move back to a European-wide alliance, looking back at these years as the reason why alliances are needed.

What a load of old one sided not the whole picture, devoid of actual credibility ball cocks.

1. "study suggests"... if, but, maybe, could, may............. "suggests"

2. "...ways of trying to nullify the result, or find evidence of 'Bre-gret' are becoming rather creative."... No f-ing sh1t.

3. "...arithmetic by architect Steve Lawrence, which asserts that more Leave voters have passed away since the June referendum than Remain voters."... and? Lets see some raw data Steve and put some real numbers instead of a Johnny Reckon. The entire of the Remain olds above 78 may have passed through the ring of stars and total 120001 for all we know ... and you will need to know of everyones exact voting intentions should there be a ref right now to be able to make a proper assertion ... and I've noticed comment around for many a reluctant remainer saying they'd lean leave now (f me there's even a few on DS) ... and ... and ... and ... I refer to number 2, ad infinitum it appears.

Thank you.

There are other areas I missed such as the privatisation of the NHS, but Brexit has put the Tories in a very strong position to impose their policies on the nation.

The sale of the NHS to off-shore multi-nationals such as Virgin should be seen as one of the biggest financial scandals in history.
Again leaving the weakest in society paying far more than they can afford.

Many didn't register, that's where you've gone wrong.

The country's indebtedness has worsened since we've been in the EU and whilst we're being told how successful Britain is being, we continue to borrow more money, print more money and pay more money to the EU.

....and even younger Remnants who died of shock when they lost.

Mind you, I had a bad past couple of days,and only managed to cut out a large area of wall before mixing barrowloads of concrete and installing a front door. At knocking 80, I don't know where I get the ambition from.

Were there not stats about how more had been privatised under Labour than the Tories? Not that this makes it a good thing, just that for something important it's a waste of energy to make it a party issue...


No they were just whining for the fjords*.


Time to go and revisit the stats of that last-minute rush of people who missed the deadline after not noticing there was a referendum on!



* observe cunning Norway reference

Just in case nobody tells you that was good, THAT was good.

And many still didn't register and those that did thought they were applying for a free I-pad.

Your reference to Norway is noted.

I love Monty P

Could you provide a link to that research?

The now Remain youngsters were also lazy on social media in the build up to the vote

Here's part of a report by Vyacheslav Polonski, Network scientist at the University of Oxford and a Global Shaper at the World Economic Forum.

For example, we have captured 30 weeks of data from Instagram, analysing over 18k users and 30k posts. This data indicates that not only were there twice as many Brexit supporters on Instagram, but they were also five times more active than Remain activists
The same pattern could be found on Twitter, where we found that the Leave camp outnumbers the Remain camp 7 to 1. The online momentum of the Leave camp was equally evident in the support they received from the community. On average, Instagram posts from the members of the Leave camp received 26% more likes and 20% more comments, while the most active users in the dataset were also all campaigning for a Leave vote.
Furthermore, the top 3 most frequently used hashtags in the data come from the Leave camp and were well integrated into all networked conversations online: #Brexit, #Beleave and #VoteLeave. Using the Internet, the Leave camp was able to create the perception of wide-ranging public support for their cause that acted like a self-fulflling prophecy, attracting many more voters to back Brexit.

I very much doubt a load of doddery 80 years olds in crumbling former mining communities were responsible for Leave winning the online battle.

Makes a lot of people feel better though if they can find 'blame' for an act of democracy not going how they wished. Also provides an opportunity for lots of sweeping statements which at best have tenuous academic/scientific/statistical conclusions made from some data and at worse are just insane ("old people should't be allowed to vote") or downright rude/hate (choose denigration of choice).

It's not tenuous, there has been reliable research to show that the older you are in the UK, the more likely you were to have voted to leave the EU.

It's also quite obviously true, that it's the current day young people who will have to live with the result for the longest - classy thread or not.

Wish you were my elderly relative! I spend a fair portion of time looking after mine and if a wall needs building, it's me that saves them the money paying a tradesman. Love'em really, the olds, but have you ever tried to talk someone through a smart phone when the height of technology in their mind is still the microwave oven.

Russel Kane, "I could have donkey punched her right there" (sketch talking about teaching his mum 'the computer and internet').

It seems reasonably logical too - those wanting change will be campaigning for it, how much campaigning is anyone going to see for the status quo?

"What do we want?" "Everything the same!" "When do we want it?" "Now!"

I can see that one really gaining traction

Read my post again, look for the word "some" (ie: stuff like the nonsense that is this thread's subject). While you concentrate on the data aspect, note that there are other points made to.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-twice-as-high

Yes indeed, it's the way Remoan like to remind us how more educated they are..........

People like me who voted NO in 1975 are still here and - with a fair wind could be bobbing about for the next two to three decades. The power vote for Leave was in the generation just below mine, 40 onwards.
That provides plenty of time for the generation below them to make a success of life as individuals and a nation beyond the EU. And it will probably become an increasingly insignificant event as worldwide events unfold.

Exactly - it's not a percentage of all young people but of those registered to vote.

Most over 65s will have lived at the same address for years and have been registered there too.

Young people are more mobile so much less likely to be registered.

It's not the percentage of those registered you want to compare - but the percentage of all people in each age group who could have registered and didn't vote.

But again we rely on polls - most of which in the last week before 23 June predicted we would vote remain by up to 10 per cent!

...and here's the 'problem'. The original post BIBs versus link, "suggests". Lets go to the Guardian's words,

"The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group."

Let's go to the source (Opinium): http://opinium.co.uk/did-young-peopl...eu-referendum/

"...our data suggests" but that becomes, "fact" just a sentence later.

Let's go to the analysts and have a look at the data and their sources etc... (Prof. Michael Bruter and Dr. Sarah Harrison from the ECREP):

...can't find it... (anyone better than I searching for the raw data/actual published study, assuming publication that is?)

Yes, i'm splitting hairs, fully admit to that, but I've had enough of ifs, buts, maybes, coulds, suggests etc... then passed off as definites (irrelevant of the subject matter not just the referendum). Show me the data, if proper numbers were used which one would expect for voting data, it is afterall recorded, and then proper 'science' carried out concludes "suggests"(ifs, buts, maybes, coulds etc...) this shouldn't even be in 'definitive' conversation.