This goes into a little more detail but no links to the actual polls/data although they do say that their data shows 90% of 65+ year olds voted in the referendum.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...StKxeg&cad=rja

It's a word document if you're wondering why its asking you to open it.

I don't think there's anything obvious about it. The EU could well be something from the history books within the next decade - possibly much sooner. There could be an opportunity coming to build something much more sensible in its place - a much looser alliance based around sensible cooperation on things like trade and security, and if this happens the UK should be very well placed to play a leading role right from the start.

Nice find, thank you.

I think these are the 'money shots':

"the ECREP electoral psychology team at the LSE and Opinium have collaborated to try and get a clearer sense of the turnout of young people using two surveys where we controlled – among other things – for respondents’ electoral registration.
The first is the panel study (meaning that the exact same people were interviewed three times in late April, late May, and late June) that Opinium fielded on our behalf with 3,008 respondents from April to June as part of our comparative study of the psychology of voters in 25 countries as well as a joint attempt to understand how British people’s social, political, and consumer behaviour would likely be affected by the referendum result. However, whilst panel studies are in many ways the golden standard for election studies when it comes to try and understand election effects and “what happened” throughout a campaign, they are not ideal to infer such elements as electoral choice and turnout from the population at the end because we know that they tend to disproportionately lose abstentionists across waves and also because the very fact that people are asked three times about the referendum can make them more interested in it than average voters. In other words, those surveys are ideal to understand processes and effects, but not to take a snapshot of the population."

"The second study that we used, simply used a fresh sample of 2,008 voters, but unlike most commercial surveys, specifically asked respondents to tell if they were registered to vote or not in order to be able to evaluate actual turnout rather than the gross proportion of a sample that reported voting."

... followed by a stack of conclusions all starting with the word, "suggests" with a couple of "mights" thrown in. The actual referendum data was not used and hence why definitives cannot be given (basically conclusions have been made from relatively normal polling methods and are the source of the articles and the thread)

I think their data that shows 90% of 65+ year olds voting in the referendum is suspect, it's possible i guess but that alone i think should make you question everything else.

It's quite funny, i was watching Noel Plum and Professor Moriarty talking about social sciences studies and suspect data only yesterday and how they some ofthem seem to assert that something too good to be true is evidence to believe it when it is usually only too good to be true.

Indeed. There's a lot of suspect shite out there all the time about everything. In this current pushed narrative era of 'post-truth' and 'fake news' etc... it's time to be ever more diligent as to the sources of data, who said what, what actions actually occurred etc... turns out the deeper one looks, the less the public face of presentation actually resembles the facts of the sources (not just this example, MSM generally, all issues and subjects).

Older people understand the importance and fragile nature of democracy in a way that the younger generation (myself included) never will. The EU is a threat to democracy and looking that up on Google will reveal some very persuasive facts from reputable sources.

Mocking the older generation as stupid and racist, speaking ill of their wisdom and noting their upcoming deaths and how that should somehow weaken their voting power is probably the most disgusting argument I've come across throughout these EU debates.

Yes, Thiswillbefun, the sly, insidious insertion by the Tories of the parasitic organs of the private sector into the pulsating defenceless body of the NHS would make an excellent subject for an Attenborough documentary. Before much longer Joe and Jo-ess Public will find that they are paying through their innocent little noses for medical services that once were free. Similar is happening in education: public money is being siphoned off in buckets by academies etc which indoctrinate the young in Tory dogma, then charge them a fortune for dodgy degrees at dodgy so-called universities. But history shows that at some point the great boil of Tory greed will explode and scatter it's vile contents everywhere. It's happened before and it will happen again. Not pretty and very painful. Brexit is going to make all this much worse and we must continue to ram home the truth to the unwary.

Ttip would have forced the privatisation of the NHS If we stayed and you clearly do not know that it was in fact Labours policy to privatise the NHS when they were in power.

Only on so called polls is it decreasing. I don't know anyone who has changed their mind about leaving . Although I know a few who are now glad to get out ( if we ever do) due to the EU army that isn't being set up only now it is

If we are in for a rough ride it will because they can manipulate it anyway they want to.

They could get us out without to much pain, if any.

90 per cent of those REGISTERED. Not 90 per cent of all over 65s. There is a difference!

Just wait to see what the terms are of a future UK-US trade deal. It could just be TTIP with another name. Those US healthcare firms will be eager to get some of the action over here.

I mourn the fact that they have not lived to see freedom.

Good spot, i only skimmed it but the point still stands. 90% seems rather high.

Listen, I have a very basic 5 year old Tesco mobile/camera. Except on about three occasions waiting for a call from Mrs. Allaorta, my phone is always switched off unless I want to make a call. I never use the camera nad haven't any idea what all the functions are. I explained this to a teenage girl and asked her to wipe all the crap from my phone. She did it, including my phone number list....Grrrrrrrrr. She'll never know what my next move would have been.

I'm coming up 80 and two decades will be fine.

Crikey I know us remoaners are bitter, but didn't know we'd resort to killing 120,000 leave voters

It's going to take more than that... and you are killing off the ones who would die anyway.
The Death Maths is formidable.
There's about 6m people over 70, heavily skewed towards Leave... but not by that much more than the spanned power generation of over 40s below them - and they number 27m.
The "younger generation", with higher support for Remain, account for about 17.5m.
Now you can see the extent of your problem... so I'd better let you get on

ah, no problem. The sooner we start, the sooner we finish

Don't recall Labour admitting their policy was to privatise the NHS, although their conduct as regards PFI's certainly does them no credit. At least the EU have managed to stop TTIP, if not CELTA.

Pencil. An excellent and eloquent post.

Very well said

Where do you get your facts from ??? The EU were in favour of TTIP so why and how did they stop it ? Also, get your acronyms right, it`s CETA.

Thats why we have 5 yearly elections - because the electorate and events change.

Its why referendum on fundamental issues where there's no large, cross generational, majority view , and where the result is not reversable , are ridiculous. You end up with policy set, and irreversible, long after the majority for the policy has literally died off, and the policy has fallen into disrepute.

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier, but how do know know this? It was a secret ballot, the only thing we knowkfor certain is the result. EVERYTHING else is supposition.

There's about 750,000 new voters coming on the register every year. And about 500k people, mostly over 65, die. If 60% of young voters vote and 65-75% of that age group continue to vote remain, you have a net gain of at least 150k remain voters a year. Not allowing for the most infirm being most unable to vote, the oldest group of voters saw turn outs about 80% and two thirds voting for Leave Thats about a net loss of 130k Leave votes a year. Unless generational attitudes change, in 5 years , the Leave margin of about 1.27 million votes is gone - attacked by the comings and goings, at both age extremes of the electorate.

There's also the potential for a lot more EU nationals to take out citizenship before we leave. . There's 3 million plus of them......

Thats why leave is so afraid of a second referendum - if anyone could think of a viable , logical, question.

Sad I agree but at least they lived to see Independence Day!