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You keep on repeating this nonsense. The Tories vote barely rose in 2015 to that in 2010. They won a majority by default because the Lib Dem vote collapsed.
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#152 |
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To VastGirth it means you an I are too old to have an opinion. Amazing the number on here who agree with this article and who spend all day posting. Is it safe to assume some at least are either unemployed or retired?
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Collapsed where? did they just disappear? they certainly didn't vote Labour.
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I'm surprised these concocted/conjectured figures show such a slim "majority" for remain.
Let the self-centred old feckers stew for a bit longer, see their triple lock, free bus pass and winter fuel allowance shrink or disappear, and they'll be going down like flies when Brexit actually happens. Quote:
This is the sort of vile comment that summarises the views of many who claim to support Brexit. It is awful to contemplate the future of our country in the face of such nastiness. I view such attitudes with contempt and pity for the creatures who hold them. Those old people are your mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles or cousins. What has happened to our country and all the shared values that used to hold us together?
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Err, isn't MrEdgarFinchley on your side?
Go on then, condemn his comments as a remainer.
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The vote was won thabks to the middle aged and baby boomers not the elderly.
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And for referendums it seems to be 40 years. I consider myself very lucky to have voted Eff Off EU twice for Tony Benn. Obviously born at the right time.
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#157 |
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Yes Mr Strut missed that point
![]() Unfortunately we already know and have had it confirmed numerous times that the 'ha ha brexit voters are dying' attitude does not actually form part of any comedic performance. |
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As another poster has pointed out, it's given them a life lesson in what happens when they don't vote. Might have an interesting impact on the next GE.
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Nah they'll forgotten it by then and they will probably sleep right through polling day having spent all night ranting on the internet.
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I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
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Who? student remoaners?
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Agreed. I wish they'd just called it an opinion poll and developed some policies on the back of it. .
At least now we have the potential to tell the EU where to stuff their policies - trouble is, the remainers are the ones now who are whinging about that. Quote:
I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
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Collapsed where? did they just disappear? they certainly didn't vote Labour.
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Maybe in your opinion, but not for those of us actually living here who voted Leave. Millions of us had been trying to get to this position for years. We voted - with some of us holding our noses - to send ranting UKIP zealots to the EU 'parliament' time and again until eventually they made history by beating all the other parties in a vote and becoming Britain's largest party there.
They started eating into pro-EU Tory MPs majorities and hoovering up lifelong - until then - Labour voters. So please don't tell us it was a huge mistake - it was exactly what millions had campaigned for and a big reason why the Tories under Cameron - having promised a referendum - got a surprise overall majority. And then when the vote came some 17.5 million - getting on for four times the population of Ireland - chose Leave. Actually Britain was deeply divided before the vote - it's just that the people in power had not been listening until very recently (and many didn't care) to those of us who had genuinely had enough. Frankly, I find your attitude patronising. I would say the biggest legacy of the referendum will be it's very divisiveness. Even if Remain had won comfortably, I imagine the atmosphere would be pretty bad at the moment. |
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The vote was won thabks to the middle aged and baby boomers not the elderly.
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The baby boomers are mostly the elderly. Also it depends what you call middle aged? The majority was for remain up to 50.
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I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
At least with a referendum your vote will count one way or the other. |
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Where we would have to differ is on the point of using a popular referendum to decide something as vast as leaving the EU. Most referenda are used to change a single law, not thousands of laws in one fell swoop. The very reason the subject has been so polarising in the UK is because it's such a vast topic impacting on numerous different areas of people's lives : there's no way a referendum on a single issue like abortion or gay marriage or the death penalty or whatever would be anywhere near as controversial, it would be more of a seven day wonder.
I would say the biggest legacy of the referendum will be it's very divisiveness. Even if Remain had won comfortably, I imagine the atmosphere would be pretty bad at the moment. Can you imagine what would happen if we did have a referendum on say the death penalty though? The Sun and Daily Mail would print endless stories about paedophiles and terrorists while some educated liberal elite "experts" on the other side would waffle on about miscarriages of justice and other such warnings. It's not difficult to predict what the outcome of such a vote would be. |
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I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
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In 60 years time they will all be dead and we will still be out of Europe
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I agree.
Can you imagine what would happen if we did have a referendum on say the death penalty though? The Sun and Daily Mail would print endless stories about paedophiles and terrorists while some educated liberal elite "experts" on the other side would waffle on about miscarriages of justice and other such warnings. It's not difficult to predict what the outcome of such a vote would be. |
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There was a study released this week that showed that those from the most disadvantaged areas and with the lowest educational qualifications turned out in much higher numbers than they normally would for a general election and this swung the referendum (it would have been fairly close anyway, probably in the Remain direction, but these extra votes had a huge impact).
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The current elderly are those born pre war. The Baby boomers range from mid fifties to about 70
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I agree.
Can you imagine what would happen if we did have a referendum on say the death penalty though? The Sun and Daily Mail would print endless stories about paedophiles and terrorists while some educated liberal elite "experts" on the other side would waffle on about miscarriages of justice and other such warnings. It's not difficult to predict what the outcome of such a vote would be. penalty for certain dispicable crimes would be and should be foregone conclusion..??? My only regeret is we will never be given the oppertunity to vote in such a referedum anyway. |
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Where we would have to differ is on the point of using a popular referendum to decide something as vast as leaving the EU. Most referenda are used to change a single law, not thousands of laws in one fell swoop. The very reason the subject has been so polarising in the UK is because it's such a vast topic impacting on numerous different areas of people's lives : there's no way a referendum on a single issue like abortion or gay marriage or the death penalty or whatever would be anywhere near as controversial, it would be more of a seven day wonder.
I would say the biggest legacy of the referendum will be it's very divisiveness. Even if Remain had won comfortably, I imagine the atmosphere would be pretty bad at the moment. That's the stage we had reached in this bad marriage. And as I point out, millions wanted none of this and their numbers were growing, not decreasing as old people died off and younger ones got the vote. It only seemed "fine" to people looking the other way. Most of the 1975 Yes voters are dead - that's the reality. |
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but yes it is a vile comment.