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Old 09-12-2016, 14:24
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You keep on repeating this nonsense. The Tories vote barely rose in 2015 to that in 2010. They won a majority by default because the Lib Dem vote collapsed.
Collapsed where? did they just disappear? they certainly didn't vote Labour.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:25
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To VastGirth it means you an I are too old to have an opinion. Amazing the number on here who agree with this article and who spend all day posting. Is it safe to assume some at least are either unemployed or retired?
Oh I see. Yet we were around when we went in and we will be around when we come out. Long enough I would have thought to form considered opinions.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:28
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Collapsed where? did they just disappear? they certainly didn't vote Labour.
Correct. It was the first time I didn't go out to vote 'Not Tory' (90% of the time Labour) and I know many others who did the same. Also some who pushed up the Tory vote where UKIP had no chance.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:28
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I'm surprised these concocted/conjectured figures show such a slim "majority" for remain.

Let the self-centred old feckers stew for a bit longer, see their triple lock, free bus pass and winter fuel allowance shrink or disappear, and they'll be going down like flies when Brexit actually happens.

This is the sort of vile comment that summarises the views of many who claim to support Brexit. It is awful to contemplate the future of our country in the face of such nastiness. I view such attitudes with contempt and pity for the creatures who hold them. Those old people are your mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles or cousins. What has happened to our country and all the shared values that used to hold us together?
He's a Remainer but yes it is a vile comment.


Err, isn't MrEdgarFinchley on your side?
Go on then, condemn his comments as a remainer.
Yes Mr Strut missed that point
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:31
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The vote was won thabks to the middle aged and baby boomers not the elderly.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:33
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And for referendums it seems to be 40 years. I consider myself very lucky to have voted Eff Off EU twice for Tony Benn. Obviously born at the right time.
Me too I wish he had lived to see it.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:33
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Yes Mr Strut missed that point
Easily done, there's that law where an opinion can be so insanely bigotedly extremistly totally off the hate scale that it might be mistaken for poor quality satire. Or something like that anyway.

Unfortunately we already know and have had it confirmed numerous times that the 'ha ha brexit voters are dying' attitude does not actually form part of any comedic performance.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:38
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As another poster has pointed out, it's given them a life lesson in what happens when they don't vote. Might have an interesting impact on the next GE.
Nah they'll forgotten it by then and they will probably sleep right through polling day having spent all night ranting on the internet.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:40
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Nah they'll forgotten it by then and they will probably sleep right through polling day having spent all night ranting on the internet.
Who? student remoaners?
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:45
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I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:47
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Who? student remoaners?
18-24 year olds
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:51
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Agreed. I wish they'd just called it an opinion poll and developed some policies on the back of it. .
But they couldn't have developed policies such as no FoM, for example, because the EU wouldn't have let them.

At least now we have the potential to tell the EU where to stuff their policies - trouble is, the remainers are the ones now who are whinging about that.

I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
Always? Hardly ever, then.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:52
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Collapsed where? did they just disappear? they certainly didn't vote Labour.
Actually some did. In many constituencies where Labour had no chance of winning their vote rose and the same with the Greens. So constituency where it is between the The Lib Dems and The Tories and Lib Dem voters either don't vote, vote Labour or vote Green equals The Conservatives winning the seat.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:54
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Maybe in your opinion, but not for those of us actually living here who voted Leave. Millions of us had been trying to get to this position for years. We voted - with some of us holding our noses - to send ranting UKIP zealots to the EU 'parliament' time and again until eventually they made history by beating all the other parties in a vote and becoming Britain's largest party there.
They started eating into pro-EU Tory MPs majorities and hoovering up lifelong - until then - Labour voters.
So please don't tell us it was a huge mistake - it was exactly what millions had campaigned for and a big reason why the Tories under Cameron - having promised a referendum - got a surprise overall majority.
And then when the vote came some 17.5 million - getting on for four times the population of Ireland - chose Leave.
Actually Britain was deeply divided before the vote - it's just that the people in power had not been listening until very recently (and many didn't care) to those of us who had genuinely had enough. Frankly, I find your attitude patronising.
Where we would have to differ is on the point of using a popular referendum to decide something as vast as leaving the EU. Most referenda are used to change a single law, not thousands of laws in one fell swoop. The very reason the subject has been so polarising in the UK is because it's such a vast topic impacting on numerous different areas of people's lives : there's no way a referendum on a single issue like abortion or gay marriage or the death penalty or whatever would be anywhere near as controversial, it would be more of a seven day wonder.

I would say the biggest legacy of the referendum will be it's very divisiveness. Even if Remain had won comfortably, I imagine the atmosphere would be pretty bad at the moment.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:56
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The vote was won thabks to the middle aged and baby boomers not the elderly.
The baby boomers are mostly the elderly. Also it depends what you call middle aged? The majority was for remain up to 50.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:03
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The baby boomers are mostly the elderly. Also it depends what you call middle aged? The majority was for remain up to 50.
The current elderly are those born pre war. The Baby boomers range from mid fifties to about 70
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:04
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I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
In most places its not worth the effort of going down to the polling station as you know who's going to win by about 10k votes anyway so why waste your time and the wear and tear on the pencil in the voting booth ticking a box that won't affect anything.

At least with a referendum your vote will count one way or the other.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:16
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Where we would have to differ is on the point of using a popular referendum to decide something as vast as leaving the EU. Most referenda are used to change a single law, not thousands of laws in one fell swoop. The very reason the subject has been so polarising in the UK is because it's such a vast topic impacting on numerous different areas of people's lives : there's no way a referendum on a single issue like abortion or gay marriage or the death penalty or whatever would be anywhere near as controversial, it would be more of a seven day wonder.

I would say the biggest legacy of the referendum will be it's very divisiveness. Even if Remain had won comfortably, I imagine the atmosphere would be pretty bad at the moment.
I agree.

Can you imagine what would happen if we did have a referendum on say the death penalty though? The Sun and Daily Mail would print endless stories about paedophiles and terrorists while some educated liberal elite "experts" on the other side would waffle on about miscarriages of justice and other such warnings.

It's not difficult to predict what the outcome of such a vote would be.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:17
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I was reading that a lot of Brexiters were people who never vote in general elections. A referendum always brings them out apparently, especially in huge majority constituencies where their vote has little effect in a GE.
There was a study released this week that showed that those from the most disadvantaged areas and with the lowest educational qualifications turned out in much higher numbers than they normally would for a general election and this swung the referendum (it would have been fairly close anyway, probably in the Remain direction, but these extra votes had a huge impact).
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:18
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In 60 years time they will all be dead and we will still be out of Europe
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:20
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I agree.

Can you imagine what would happen if we did have a referendum on say the death penalty though? The Sun and Daily Mail would print endless stories about paedophiles and terrorists while some educated liberal elite "experts" on the other side would waffle on about miscarriages of justice and other such warnings.

It's not difficult to predict what the outcome of such a vote would be.
Better cancel universal suffrage eh?, so that only the educated elite are allowed to vote.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:22
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There was a study released this week that showed that those from the most disadvantaged areas and with the lowest educational qualifications turned out in much higher numbers than they normally would for a general election and this swung the referendum (it would have been fairly close anyway, probably in the Remain direction, but these extra votes had a huge impact).
Now let us ask what you are saying. Is it that those in disadvantaged areas with the lowest educational qualifications are less intelligent and less able to consider complex political problems than those from advantaged areas with higher educational qualifications?
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:26
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The current elderly are those born pre war. The Baby boomers range from mid fifties to about 70
OK knocking on elderly then? I suppose most people have used the word older generation and not elderly which quite clearly the baby boomers would be included. So the poster I replied to was kind of right.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:29
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I agree.

Can you imagine what would happen if we did have a referendum on say the death penalty though? The Sun and Daily Mail would print endless stories about paedophiles and terrorists while some educated liberal elite "experts" on the other side would waffle on about miscarriages of justice and other such warnings.

It's not difficult to predict what the outcome of such a vote would be.
Surely most right minded people "pardon the pun" would like to see paedophiles murders and terrorists face true justice..?? i guess the result of any referendum around reinstating the death
penalty for certain dispicable crimes would be and should be foregone conclusion..???

My only regeret is we will never be given the oppertunity to vote in such a referedum anyway.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:30
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Where we would have to differ is on the point of using a popular referendum to decide something as vast as leaving the EU. Most referenda are used to change a single law, not thousands of laws in one fell swoop. The very reason the subject has been so polarising in the UK is because it's such a vast topic impacting on numerous different areas of people's lives : there's no way a referendum on a single issue like abortion or gay marriage or the death penalty or whatever would be anywhere near as controversial, it would be more of a seven day wonder.

I would say the biggest legacy of the referendum will be it's very divisiveness. Even if Remain had won comfortably, I imagine the atmosphere would be pretty bad at the moment.
Here's the truth - we had to either buy in or buy out of the EU. What was going on would be considered farcical in any other situation. No to the currency, no to Schengen, no to just about anything, including Merkel's migrants, begrudging money paid over and then being told the EU was "paying" for things here. Sending ranters to take the pee of their parliament.
That's the stage we had reached in this bad marriage.
And as I point out, millions wanted none of this and their numbers were growing, not decreasing as old people died off and younger ones got the vote. It only seemed "fine" to people looking the other way. Most of the 1975 Yes voters are dead - that's the reality.
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