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Old 09-12-2016, 18:35
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You want me to be to provide evidence of something that doesn't exist

I think you have it the wrong way round
I am asking you to prove that Andrew Marr is lying about the BBC demographics. That is a claim you have made so you must now back it up with evidence.

What do you know that he doesn't?
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:39
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Which "minorities and special interest groups" represent the BBC?
Are you also suggesting Andrew Marr is lying about the demographics of the BBC?
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:42
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Are you also suggesting Andrew Marr is lying about the demographics of the BBC?
I am making no 'suggestion' about Marr or anybody else ....

I am asking you to answer a simple question.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:44
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After a quick look at the TC's post history, I noticed that he/hadn't posted in over a year until today.

Make of that what you will.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:44
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Are you also suggesting Andrew Marr is lying about the demographics of the BBC?
as a BBC employee he's bound to be a bit biased ?
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:46
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After a quick look at the TC's post history, I noticed that he/hadn't posted in over a year until today.

Make of that what you will.
If "TC" is referring to me then I have posted on and off here for the past few months.

Our thread histories are not posted in chronological order, sometimes you will only see ancient posts.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:47
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as a BBC employee he's bound to be a bit biased ?
On camera, yes. He will be towing whatever narrative he is given.

If he goes against that narrative off-camera it is far more significant than what he says on camera.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:48
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In that case I apologise.

On topic almost every news network is biased in some form. Welcome to modern media.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:49
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Yes, I do believe the BBC is unbiased. I think your posts are biased.
I'm not sure what you think think you're saying there.
A poster on her can be as unbiased as they want. They aren't an organisation who the public are looking to for informative unbiased news.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:51
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I am asking you to prove that Andrew Marr is lying about the BBC demographics. That is a claim you have made so you must now back it up with evidence.

What do you know that he doesn't?
I've made no claim apart from you being clearly bias against the BBC and the evidence I offer are the to threads you have started.

What evidence did Marr offer to make you believe him so convincing?
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:52
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On camera, yes. He will be towing whatever narrative he is given.
you mean he only talks shit when he's being paid, did he get paid for this other quote ?
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:54
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In that case I apologise.

On topic almost every news network is biased in some form. Welcome to modern media.
That's fine, it's a quirk of DS and is annoying when you want to find something you posted recently!

And yes, every news network is biased but it's more a question of how they present themselves.

BBC are dishonest, they claim to be impartial.

Russia Today do not hide the fact they are funded by the Kremlin. Therefore we are forewarned of their bias and can take it into account when we view their stories.

And when they show us footage from Syria of civilians categorically claiming that Assad has majority support amongst Syrians or footage of civilians being shot at by "moderate" rebels for trying to leave it puts the mainstream narrative of the conflict to question.

More so when they expose doctored footage of BBC stories.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:55
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I'm not sure what you think think you're saying there.
A poster on her can be as unbiased as they want. They aren't an organisation who the public are looking to for informative unbiased news.
AM, I have always relied on you for my world view, don't let me down
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:55
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That's ONE producer versus the hundreds of producers who would have you believe every member of Britain First is a babbling, knuckle-dragging, Hitler worshipping racist.

Also it's irrelevant as BBC have never showed any kind of favour towards Britain First, they have been described as a far-right hate group.

It also doesn't change the fact that Question Time audiences are ridiculously biased in favour of left-wing opinions.
QT is very biased in favour of the establishment. They rarely have true left wingers on and Farage seems to be on every couple of weeks. The audience seems to have a large number of ant-immigration fanatics and it is now accepted that EDL and UKIP are invited in to the audience. It was also interesting that a while ago they would have questions on the SNP without an SNP person on the panel, so we got 5 people pushing a view on Scotland without any other opinion being allowed.

You also need to look at the political affiliations of the main BBC commentators and producers, many of whom were in the Conservatives as students.
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:58
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I've made no claim apart from you being clearly bias against the BBC and the evidence I offer are the to threads you have started.

What evidence did Marr offer to make you believe him so convincing?
Yes I am biased against the BBC in the same way you are biased against the BBC.

I have presented plenty of evidence to back up my claim.

The evidence is in the way the BBC censors dissenting opinion against minority groups. Any criticism of Muslims is branded as Islamophobic on Question Time or any kind of panel discussion they air. the BBC were staunchly pro-Gay Marriage and opposing opinions where never aired. Not without harsh and overly emotional criticism.

I also have no reason to believe Andrew Marr is lying when he speaks of the demographics of the BBC.

You on the other hand seem to believe he IS lying.

What do you believe is his motivation?
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:59
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Why are people wasting time on this ludicrous thread, relying as it does on a bunch of made up "facts" presented as credible statistics, linking to some alt-right, headbanging, chip-on-my-shoulder CT site, which is probably run by the OP?!

Then again, why am I wasting time on it...
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Old 09-12-2016, 18:59
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QT is very biased in favour of the establishment. They rarely have true left wingers on and Farage seems to be on every couple of weeks. The audience seems to have a large number of ant-immigration fanatics and it is now accepted that EDL and UKIP are invited in to the audience. It was also interesting that a while ago they would have questions on the SNP without an SNP person on the panel, so we got 5 people pushing a view on Scotland without any other opinion being allowed.

You also need to look at the political affiliations of the main BBC commentators and producers, many of whom were in the Conservatives as students.
The only right wing voices in the audience are a minority of loudmouths whose purpose is to make the opposition seem volatile and unruly.

Very rarely do they have articulate opponents to issues such as immigration without being sorely outnumbered.
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:02
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Yes I am biased against the BBC in the same way you are biased against the BBC.

I have presented plenty of evidence to back up my claim.

The evidence is in the way the BBC censors dissenting opinion against minority groups. Any criticism of Muslims is branded as Islamophobic on Question Time or any kind of panel discussion they air. the BBC were staunchly pro-Gay Marriage and opposing opinions where never aired. Not without harsh and overly emotional criticism.

I also have no reason to believe Andrew Marr is lying when he speaks of the demographics of the BBC.

You on the other hand seem to believe he IS lying.

What do you believe is his motivation?
I think your idea of evidence is slightly different to mine.

I don't believe he is lying (which would mean he is deliberately misleading) I just think he is giving an opinion which can be taken or left on the basis he has offered no facts to back it up.
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:03
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Why are people wasting time on this ludicrous thread, relying as it does on a bunch of made up "facts" presented as credible statistics, linking to some alt-right, headbanging, chip-on-my-shoulder CT site, which is probably run by the OP?!

Then again, why am I wasting time on it...
There's nothing on the tele
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:26
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The BBC is most definitely biased. You only have to watch the News or Newsnight to see the filter through which the news is being reported.

One of the real delights of Brexit and even moreso Trump winning was seeing the BBC going into meltdown about how this could possibly have happened given what they had been telling/instructing the viewer to do.

It was a rare delight. On the night of the Trump victory the female Newsnight presenter was literally furious with a pundit who was attempting to explain how he could have won. It was fabulous entertainment.
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:36
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BBC is part of our own governments propaganda machine.

You automatically believe their propaganda.

Viewers of RT form their opinions based on both perspectives.
Make your mind up!

Is the BBC a left wing propaganda machine or a conservative government propaganda machine?

Maybe RT can answer this for you?
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:39
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Here are some quotes from former BBC editors on the blatant left-wing bias, most demonstrable in the laughable Question Time audiences:

https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
The only bias being displayed here is those who er are biased...biased against the Beeb.

Two things are at play here. 1. Those who scream 'bias' are doing it try to force the Beeb to be biased...biased to their 'viewpoint'. 2. Opinions expressed which challenge and/or criticise your point of view is not bias. This seems to be the real beef with some contributors. They can't stand their viewpoints being challenged.

The BBC is the best that we have...the only news/broadcaster I trust. I value it because it is balanced. Why do you think I don't buy a newspaper?
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:46
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I believe RT is a credible alternative source that is inherently more trustworthy due to the fact that A. It does not claim to be unbiased and B. Is under the scrutiny of OFCOM.

BBC on the other hand shuts down criticism and denies free speech.

I find it harder to trust an organisation that is unable to even acknowledge opposing opinions.
If you seriously think RT is a credible and trustworthy source of news you are too far gone to reason with.

End of.
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:49
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If you seriously think RT is a credible and trustworthy source of news you are too far gone to reason with.

End of.
And I'm just supposed to take your word for it am I?

As I have said numerous times, they are not the ones who are pretending to be non-biased.

It is possible to make an informed decision taking both sides of the story into account.

Blindly believing everything the BBC tells you does NOT make you informed.
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:52
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The only bias being displayed here is those who er are biased...biased against the Beeb.

Two things are at play here. 1. Those who scream 'bias' are doing it try to force the Beeb to be biased...biased to their 'viewpoint'. 2. Opinions expressed which challenge and/or criticise your point of view is not bias. This seems to be the real beef with some contributors. They can't stand their viewpoints being challenged.

The BBC is the best that we have...the only news/broadcaster I trust. I value it because it is balanced. Why do you think I don't buy a newspaper?
Or of course you don't see bias because they are promoting your same ideals.

The BBC is not balanced.
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