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Old 09-12-2016, 19:56
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This thread was made in response to the pro-BBC minions in my other thread.

I'm curious to know whether people genuinely believe the BBC to be unbiased or if they just stay silent because it's biased the way they want it to be.
The fact that the BBC gives air time to all political sides and challenges them all fairly without fear or favour makes it balanced. This is a fact. I know because I watch a lot of BBC output. I also know what 'bias' and 'balance' means.

So politically, you are Kipper/Right-Winger are you...one of those who objects to your opinions being challenged?
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:58
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Please explain how an organisation that is disproportionately represented by minorities and special interest groups and seeks to censor any dissent against them is unbiased.

Please explain how any political discussion aired by the BBC requires an approximately 80/20 audience ratio in favour of left-wing opinions is unbiased.

Please explain how an organisation that refuses to be put under the scrutiny of OFCOM unlike it's competitors is unbiased.

I could go on and give you every quote on the list I provided but to save space I'll simply redirect you to the link I provided in the OP.

There is mountainous evidence to suggest the BBC is heavily biased, why are you either ignoring this evidence or refusing to acknowledge it?
None of what you say here is remotely true.

So your agenda is what exactly? Time to 'fess up!
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Old 09-12-2016, 19:59
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The fact that the BBC gives air time to all political sides and challenges them all fairly without fear or favour makes it balanced. This is a fact. I know because I watch a lot of BBC output. I also know what 'bias' and 'balance' means.

So politically, you are Kipper/Right-Winger are you...one of those who objects to your opinions being challenged?
It is not the right that object to their opinions being challenged. This is inevitable, we have been called every name under the sun for years and are used to it.

Meanwhile it is the left that is truly unable to handle criticism by throwing labels such as "racist" and "homophobic" every time their worldview is challenged.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:00
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None of what you say here is remotely true.

So your agenda is what exactly? Time to 'fess up!
Yes it is. What is YOUR agenda?
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:03
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And I'm just supposed to take your word for it am I?

As I have said numerous times, they are not the ones who are pretending to be non-biased.

It is possible to make an informed decision taking both sides of the story into account.

Blindly believing everything the BBC tells you does NOT make you informed.
You aren't taking both sides, you are just repeating what RT says without mentioning Ofcom's ruling.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:05
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That's ONE producer versus the hundreds of producers who would have you believe every member of Britain First is a babbling, knuckle-dragging, Hitler worshipping racist.

Also it's irrelevant as BBC have never showed any kind of favour towards Britain First, they have been described as a far-right hate group.

It also doesn't change the fact that Question Time audiences are ridiculously biased in favour of left-wing opinions.
Britian First is a far-right racist operation. This is a fact. I know since Brexit we live in a post-truth era...but seriously? Are you looking to be taken seriously around these parts?

Utter rubbish. You clearly don't watch the show!
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:13
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Yes I am biased against the BBC in the same way you are biased against the BBC.

I have presented plenty of evidence to back up my claim.

The evidence is in the way the BBC censors dissenting opinion against minority groups. Any criticism of Muslims is branded as Islamophobic on Question Time or any kind of panel discussion they air. the BBC were staunchly pro-Gay Marriage and opposing opinions where never aired. Not without harsh and overly emotional criticism.

I also have no reason to believe Andrew Marr is lying when he speaks of the demographics of the BBC.

You on the other hand seem to believe he IS lying.

What do you believe is his motivation?
The BBC is the best that we have. In the interests of balance, I look forward to reading some pro-BBC comments from you going forward.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:15
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Britian First is a far-right racist operation. This is a fact. I know since Brexit we live in a post-truth era...but seriously? Are you looking to be taken seriously around these parts?

Utter rubbish. You clearly don't watch the show!
Britain first may have far-right elements among them but as an organisation their goal is to tackle Islamic extremism.

There are black, sikh and even gay members of Britain First.

They have even openly said they will welcome Muslims who are opposed to extremism.

Throwing around words like racist will not get you taken seriously anymore. The far right elements do not define Britain First. You would know that if you didn't rely on the BBC's portrayal of them.

It is not "racist" to oppose Islamic extremism. If you believe this to be the case then it's you who should not be taken seriously.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:18
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You have jumped the shark.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:19
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Or of course you don't see bias because they are promoting your same ideals.

The BBC is not balanced.
The BBC is balanced. Again, you are someone who defines 'bias' as 'that which challenges the viewpoint I support' which is not bias.

With respect, you are talking nonsense. I see many of the views I hold being challenged on the Beeb. I value it (the Beeb) because you always get both sides of the story. I know because I have to put up with the dreadful Farrage on the Beeb (although I avoided him on QT last night because I am sick and tired of him and will not forgive him for all the division and hate he has pushed within the UK).
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:25
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Here are some quotes from former BBC editors on the blatant left-wing bias, most demonstrable in the laughable Question Time audiences:

https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
I agree, its really sad that the credibility of the BBC has declined so much that so many people see the BBC is as a mouthpiece for the pro EU, leftist, liberal elite and not much else.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:25
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It is not the right that object to their opinions being challenged. This is inevitable, we have been called every name under the sun for years and are used to it.

Meanwhile it is the left that is truly unable to handle criticism by throwing labels such as "racist" and "homophobic" every time their worldview is challenged.
It's the conclusion I draw. Every-time 'The Right' are robustly challenged - and rightly so - supporters of 'The Right' come out and scream 'bias'. It's boring quite frankly. Accept (as others do on opposing sides) that it is the job of the Beeb to challenge fairly (and they do) all sides of the political divide.

People who express racist views will be labelled as racists...and rightly so.
People who express anti-gay rhetoric will be called out as homophobic and rightly so.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:27
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Britain first may have far-right elements among them but as an organisation their goal is to tackle Islamic extremism.

There are black, sikh and even gay members of Britain First.

They have even openly said they will welcome Muslims who are opposed to extremism.

Throwing around words like racist will not get you taken seriously anymore. The far right elements do not define Britain First. You would know that if you didn't rely on the BBC's portrayal of them.

It is not "racist" to oppose Islamic extremism. If you believe this to be the case then it's you who should not be taken seriously.
Now I know this thread is a wind up. No one is this naive.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:28
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Now I know this thread is a wind up. No one is this naive.
Which particular part are you opposing? Hopefully not the part which states "it is not racist to oppose islamic extremism" which I happen to agree with.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:29
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Yes it is. What is YOUR agenda?
With respect, you are wrong...very wrong.

To stand up for and defend 'the truth'. To not allow those who have an anti agenda to unfairly criticise our fab-u-lous British Broadcasting Corporation because it is the very best that we have.

The BBC: For All Of Us.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:32
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If I want independent political analysis the BBC is the last place I would seek it. RT has more credibility.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:34
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Britain first may have far-right elements among them but as an organisation their goal is to tackle Islamic extremism.

There are black, sikh and even gay members of Britain First.

They have even openly said they will welcome Muslims who are opposed to extremism.

Throwing around words like racist will not get you taken seriously anymore. The far right elements do not define Britain First. You would know that if you didn't rely on the BBC's portrayal of them.

It is not "racist" to oppose Islamic extremism. If you believe this to be the case then it's you who should not be taken seriously.
There is no 'may' about it. They are an extreme far-right racist deplorable organisation who spread division and hate throughout the country. They should be denounced by all. I can't believe you are attempting to stand up for them.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:36
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Now I know this thread is a wind up. No one is this naive.
I'm glad it's not just me. Why did I fall for the bait and feed it? My bad.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:38
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Why do people believe the BBC is unbiased?

Anyone who thinks that BBC News and Sky News are biased has lost the plot. Overall, these news channels both do a pretty good job and they are both light years better than inane state propaganda channels such as Russia Today (Gob of Kremlin TV) or Press TV (Iran).
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:42
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I see the alt right are continuing their ludicrous Conspiricy Theory about the BBC then.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:44
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Two anti BBC threads in one afternoon? A slow day in the RT news room?
I thought RT was full of commies, now we have capitalist pig Trump sucking up to bear hugging Putin.....the world has gone mad.

Do trolls hang to the left or right these days.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:48
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The fact that the BBC gives air time to all political sides and challenges them all fairly without fear or favour makes it balanced.
I often wondered why Russia Today didn't poach Jeremy Paxman to interview Vladimir Putin and let rip into him like he did with our politicians on the Beeb.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:53
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It is not the right that object to their opinions being challenged. This is inevitable, we have been called every name under the sun for years and are used to it.

Meanwhile it is the left that is truly unable to handle criticism by throwing labels such as "racist" and "homophobic" every time their worldview is challenged.
If someone is racist or homophobic, I reserve the right to call them out
Britain first may have far-right elements among them but as an organisation their goal is to tackle Islamic extremism.

There are black, sikh and even gay members of Britain First.

They have even openly said they will welcome Muslims who are opposed to extremism.

Throwing around words like racist will not get you taken seriously anymore. The far right elements do not define Britain First. You would know that if you didn't rely on the BBC's portrayal of them.

It is not "racist" to oppose Islamic extremism. If you believe this to be the case then it's you who should not be taken seriously.
Britain First IS a racist organisation intent on spreading hatred. They try to hide it in a veneer of being against extremists, but they are against all Muslims. They are a hate group and anyone who supports them is a racist in my eyes.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:56
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I thought RT was full of commies, now we have capitalist pig Trump sucking up to bear hugging Putin.....the world has gone mad.

Do trolls hang to the left or right these days.
Putin is funding both Left and Right I believe. Instability is his aim, not conversion to any cause.
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Old 09-12-2016, 21:01
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I'm glad it's not just me. Why did I fall for the bait and feed it? My bad.
You are demonstrating exactly the dismissive attitude that lead to Brexit and Trump.

You seem to be operating from the logic that it is an absolute truth that Britain First are a "bad" and that anybody who says otherwise is a stupid, racist moron.

I am telling you that while it may have racist elements their ultimate goal is not racist and the BBC's portrayal of them is overly simplistic.

But of course anybody who tries to rationally debate the pros and cons of Britain First is automatically dismissed and name-called.

Ironically it is you who are baiting me by dismissing me in such a way, I will however not rise to the bait and continue to debate in a mature and polite manner.

For the record I do NOT support Britain First. I am firmly within the UKIP camp. I am simply saying I agree with their actual objective and not the mythical objective the mainstream media are constantly foisting upon them.
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