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If someone is racist or homophobic, I reserve the right to call them out
Britain First IS a racist organisation intent on spreading hatred. They try to hide it in a veneer of being against extremists, but they are against all Muslims. They are a hate group and anyone who supports them is a racist in my eyes. They are against EXTREMISM. Not Muslims. Some of their members may indeed be simply against Muslims but as long as ordinary people are burying their heads in the sand, organisations with legitimate goals will inevitably be hijacked by the far right. The EDL is a classic example, hence why Tommy Robinson left. |
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You are demonstrating exactly the dismissive attitude that lead to Brexit and Trump.
You seem to be operating from the logic that it is an absolute truth that Britain First are a "bad" and that anybody who says otherwise is a stupid, racist moron. I am telling you that while it may have racist elements their ultimate goal is not racist and the BBC's portrayal of them is overly simplistic. But of course anybody who tries to rationally debate the pros and cons of Britain First is automatically dismissed and name-called. Ironically it is you who are baiting me by dismissing me in such a way, I will however not rise to the bait and continue to debate in a mature and polite manner. For the record I do NOT support Britain First. I am firmly within the UKIP camp. I am simply saying I agree with their actual objective and not the mythical objective the mainstream media are constantly foisting upon them. |
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You are demonstrating exactly the dismissive attitude that lead to Brexit and Trump.
You seem to be operating from the logic that it is an absolute truth that Britain First are a "bad" and that anybody who says otherwise is a stupid, racist moron. I am telling you that while it may have racist elements their ultimate goal is not racist and the BBC's portrayal of them is overly simplistic. But of course anybody who tries to rationally debate the pros and cons of Britain First is automatically dismissed and name-called. Ironically it is you who are baiting me by dismissing me in such a way, I will however not rise to the bait and continue to debate in a mature and polite manner. For the record I do NOT support Britain First. I am firmly within the UKIP camp. I am simply saying I agree with their actual objective and not the mythical objective the mainstream media are constantly foisting upon them. I (along with others) are simply addressing (and putting right) the nonsense you are peddling. You are attempting to legitimise and make acceptable Britain First. This should be of concern to all. I knew you were a Kipper/Right-Winger. I could just tell. Of course Kip has had it's problems with racism too hasn't it. Godfrey Bloom? Anyone else people? |
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Would you care to explain why they are willing to accept Muslims into their ranks?
They are against EXTREMISM. Not Muslims. Some of their members may indeed be simply against Muslims but as long as ordinary people are burying their heads in the sand, organisations with legitimate goals will inevitably be hijacked by the far right. The EDL is a classic example, hence why Tommy Robinson left. |
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Britain First are racists. No discussion required.
I (along with others) are simply addressing (and putting right) the nonsense you are peddling. You are attempting to legitimise and make acceptable Britain First. This should be of concern to all. I knew you were a Kipper/Right-Winger. I could just tell. Of course Kip has had it's problems with racism too hasn't it. Godfrey Bloom? Anyone else people? |
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A bit like all the other parties then.
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True...but to a much lesser extent.
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Glad we agree that racism isn't just confined to UKIP.
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..but it is more of a problem for UKIP than The Labour and The Tory.
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Is this the same Labour Party that has a anti-Semitic problem?
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EDL/Britain First/NF/BNP along with elements within Kip are all racists and should be denounced as such. No tolerance for these people. They should be called out and shamed. They don't represent British values.
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Britain First are racists. No discussion required.
I (along with others) are simply addressing (and putting right) the nonsense you are peddling. You are attempting to legitimise and make acceptable Britain First. This should be of concern to all. I knew you were a Kipper/Right-Winger. I could just tell. Of course Kip has had it's problems with racism too hasn't it. Godfrey Bloom? Anyone else people? Most people are sick of this attitude. You don't have to support Britain First to acknowledge there should at least be a discussion on what they truly stand for before forming opinions on them. Do you think opposing extremism is a bad thing? Because that is Britain First's goal. Whether or not they pursue that goal or not depends on who joins. At the moment it is clear ordinary people are giving them a wide birth hence the far right are gradually being allowed to take over. We can choose to bury our heads in the sand and let the far right take control of the issues we need to eventually address OR the sane majority can take control of the immigration debate and tackle extremism themselves. Currently you are backing the side that wishes to ignore urgent issues and are handing victory to the far right on a platter. Mainstream politicians are refusing to acknowledge real problems. The far right aren't. That is why regrettably they are gaining popularity. Especially when even moderate, centre-right parties such as UKIP get routinely lumped in along with Britain First and even the Nazi party. It's madness. |
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Islamic extremism. |
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Funny how we are universally ignoring the most dangerous form of fascism that has been creeping up on our shores.
Islamic extremism. Nobody is ignoring or pretending Islamic extremism doesn't exist and is a very serious problem. However you seem to be either ignoring or condoning far right extremists. |
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You've done it again. You are trying to censor discussion and expect people to fall in line.
Most people are sick of this attitude. You don't have to support Britain First to acknowledge there should at least be a discussion on what they truly stand for before forming opinions on them. Do you think opposing extremism is a bad thing? Because that is Britain First's goal. Whether or not they get overrun by the far right or regular folk take over is not set in stone. We can choose to bury our heads in the sand and let the far right take control of the issues we need to eventually address OR the sane majority can take control of the immigration debate and tackle extremism themselves. Currently you are backing the side that wishes to ignore urgent issues and are handing victory to the far right on a platter. Mainstream politicians are refusing to acknowledge real problems. The far right aren't. That is why regrettably they are gaining popularity. Especially when even moderate, centre-right parties such as UKIP get routinely lumped in along with Britain First and even the Nazi party. It's madness. There needs to be some serious push back against these right-wing groups. They are wrong in their attitudes and don't represent British values. |
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Funny how we are universally ignoring the most dangerous form of fascism that has been creeping up on our shores.
Islamic extremism. |
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Given Brexit and Trump, my over arching concern is right-wing extremism/isolationism/nationalism. It is the clear and present danger now.
Islamic terrorism has killed far more people since the turn of the millennium than the far right. Yet we are continuing to allow it to grow by brandishing it's opposition as racist. The clear and present danger is not being addressed, that's why we had Brexit and Trump. |
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Please explain how an organisation that is disproportionately represented by minorities and special interest groups and seeks to censor any dissent against them is unbiased.
Please explain how any political discussion aired by the BBC requires an approximately 80/20 audience ratio in favour of left-wing opinions is unbiased. Please explain how an organisation that refuses to be put under the scrutiny of OFCOM unlike it's competitors is unbiased. I could go on and give you every quote on the list I provided but to save space I'll simply redirect you to the link I provided in the OP. There is mountainous evidence to suggest the BBC is heavily biased, why are you either ignoring this evidence or refusing to acknowledge it? |
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How many terrorist atrocities have been committed in the name of Brexit or Trump?
Islamic terrorism has killed far more people since the turn of the millennium than the far right. Yet we are continuing to allow it to grow by brandishing it's opposition as racist. The clear and present danger is not being addressed, that's why we had Brexit and Trump. Trump/Farage/Ookip/Britain First/EDL/BNP/NP/Right-Wing Extremists/Islamic Extremists are all bad/are all negative forces and their ideologies must be defeated. We had Brexit because The Right hijacked it and played on peoples' unfounded fears and prejudice. |
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Funny how we are universally ignoring the most dangerous form of fascism that has been creeping up on our shores.
Islamic extremism. How do you think it should be handled? Like this? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-far-right-bnp Britain First. Britain First began hitting the headlines after a series of well-publicised stunts, invading (in its own words) mosques or driving military armoured cars up and down Brick Lane to no apparent purpose. Its thugs then swayed outside the East London Mosque in Whitechapel, swigging cans of lager under the auspicious mantle of countering Anjem Choudary’s “Muslim patrols”, with their own “Christian patrols”. |
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Oh bore off. Another pitiful whining anti-BBC thread.
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But it isn't being ignored.
How do you think it should be handled? Like this? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-far-right-bnp Britain First. Britain First began hitting the headlines after a series of well-publicised stunts, invading (in its own words) mosques or driving military armoured cars up and down Brick Lane to no apparent purpose. Its thugs then swayed outside the East London Mosque in Whitechapel, swigging cans of lager under the auspicious mantle of countering Anjem Choudary’s “Muslim patrols”, with their own “Christian patrols”. Unless a moderate solution that actually works can be provided, the likes of Britain First will have a monopoly on anti-extremism. |
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Oh bore off. Another pitiful whining anti-BBC thread.
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How many terrorist atrocities have been committed in the name of Brexit or Trump?
Islamic terrorism has killed far more people since the turn of the millennium than the far right. Yet we are continuing to allow it to grow by brandishing it's opposition as racist. The clear and present danger is not being addressed, that's why we had Brexit and Trump. Quote:
You've done it again. You are trying to censor discussion and expect people to fall in line.
Most people are sick of this attitude. You don't have to support Britain First to acknowledge there should at least be a discussion on what they truly stand for before forming opinions on them. Do you think opposing extremism is a bad thing? Because that is Britain First's goal. Whether or not they pursue that goal or not depends on who joins. At the moment it is clear ordinary people are giving them a wide birth hence the far right are gradually being allowed to take over. We can choose to bury our heads in the sand and let the far right take control of the issues we need to eventually address OR the sane majority can take control of the immigration debate and tackle extremism themselves. Currently you are backing the side that wishes to ignore urgent issues and are handing victory to the far right on a platter. Mainstream politicians are refusing to acknowledge real problems. The far right aren't. That is why regrettably they are gaining popularity. Especially when even moderate, centre-right parties such as UKIP get routinely lumped in along with Britain First and even the Nazi party. It's madness. |
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I don't support their methods but at least they are actually doing something.
Unless a moderate solution that actually works can be provided, the likes of Britain First will have a monopoly on anti-extremism. You should quit while you are ahead. |
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