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Why are you worried about Claudia...she's not going to get knocked down by a bus.
Her and Ore are the weakest dancers left and one of them is likely to go...with their head held high I may add. |
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It is not honest because the biased system makes it very difficult for a public favourite who is at odds with the judges opinion to survive a week.
In this week, the bottom of the leaderboard couple will almost certainly leave the show EVEN WHEN THEY ARE SECOND WITH THE PUBLIC. That is dishonest. It is also dishonest for the 1 in 6 chance that couple has to face of leaving the show when they are the public favourite. Also the presenters keep on telling the public they have 3 votes. If people split their votes in some ways that can have a negative effect on their lowest ranked favourite they have just voted for. The presenters need to be honest with the public and explain all these things. None of it is 'dishonest' - everyone has a chance, however small, to get through. If people want to vote without bothering to read on the website how the scoring works and can't see for themselves that splitting their vote at this point is a bit daft, that's their problem. I don't want to listen to Tess giving a ten minute lecture on voting probabilities at the end of every show. |
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It's the existence of the dance off that's the problem.
However, imagine a system that guaranteed keeping both judges' favourites and viewer favourites, and only got rid of couples that were indifferent to both. That system exists with mininal change to the present system, and also keeps the dance off which adds an extra Sunday show for the BBC to claim they are giving the public value for money for the same cost to the License Fee Payer. Read my earlier post to see how. |
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whatever happened to terry? he helped keep the board and its denizens in perspective...
i know he annoyed some people but its not exactly like the board is a richer, warmer, healthier place without him.... ![]() I don't mind these discussions (well I am a Maths graduate and probabilities interest me ). I'd rather just see the numbers presented though in a much shorter opening post as I think that would have been clearer.
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is there an executive summary anywhere??
![]() i hate to miss important stuff. Do not split your vote this week whatever the presenters or anyone else tells you. Pick 1 favourite you think must be in the final and vote JUST for them. Be prepared if your favourite is the lowest ranked on the leaderboard, then they will have to be public favourite to have any chance of surviving, they will almost certainly leave if 2nd with the public. They can even be given the boot if public favourite. |
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I started reading this thread, got a few lines down the original post, and nearly dozed off. FFS, what the hell does all this maths crap matter? It is an ENTERTAINMENT programme, not the end of civilisation as we know it. And I say that as someone who has a degree in maths. There are times and places for these sorts of analyses, and the SCD forum ain't one of them!
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I agree, most of the problem is with the dance off.
However, imagine a system that guaranteed keeping both judges' favourites and viewer favourites, and only got rid of couples that were indifferent to both. That system exists with mininal change to the present system, and also keeps the dance off which adds an extra Sunday show for the BBC to claim they are giving the public value for money for the same cost to the License Fee Payer. Read my earlier post to see how. |
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BIB - so what if they do? This is a dance competition not solely a popularity contest and if the worst dancer goes that's fair enough. If the person at the bottom of the leaderboard has been put there unfairly that's a problem with the judges not the scoring system.
None of it is 'dishonest' - everyone has a chance, however small, to get through. If people want to vote without bothering to read on the website how the scoring works and can't see for themselves that splitting their vote at this point is a bit daft, that's their problem. I don't want to listen to Tess giving a ten minute lecture on voting probabilities at the end of every show. As I have mentioned earlier, the BBC are on public record clearly showing they did not understand the voting system. Also the presenters (or celebs in edits) have said things that are misleading. There is an Ofcom regualtion saying that is not permitted. Not only that the regulation says the BBC must ENSURE the public are not misled. They are not allowed to leave that to chance hoping the confusing maths makes people think things that are not true. |
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... what the hell does all this maths crap matter? It is an ENTERTAINMENT programme, not the end of civilisation as we know it.
![]() Right now I can imagine the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is sitting in one of his many palaces surrounded by his generals and he is jealous. He is ignoring the sycophants around him who are commenting on how fantastic his hairdo looks today. Instead, he is watching BBC Strictly. Yes, he is jealous. If he were to run a heavily biased vote like the Strictly vote in North Korea then the BBC would probably be up in arms and pointing the finger of shame at him. But there is not a peep out of the BBC against the Strictly vote. He is probably asking himself how can the BBC get away with this biased vote, but then chastise him and his crackpot dictator buddies when they do something similar? Shrouded in a cloud of gloom he then catches a glimpse of his reflection and his mood brightens. Yes, yes, they are right; his hairdo does look great today. Tommo, do you want to be taken over by the North Koreans? |
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I started reading this thread, got a few lines down the original post, and nearly dozed off. FFS, what the hell does all this maths crap matter? It is an ENTERTAINMENT programme, not the end of civilisation as we know it. And I say that as someone who has a degree in maths. There are times and places for these sorts of analyses, and the SCD forum ain't one of them!
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How do you know this is not an infiltration attempt by the North Koreans?
![]() Right now I can imagine the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is sitting in one of his many palaces surrounded by his generals and he is jealous. He is ignoring the sycophants around him who are commenting on how fantastic his hairdo looks today. Instead, he is watching BBC Strictly. Yes, he is jealous. If he were to run a heavily biased vote like the Strictly vote in North Korea then the BBC would probably be up in arms and pointing the finger of shame at him. But there is not a peep out of the BBC against the Strictly vote. He is probably asking himself how can the BBC get away with this biased vote, but then chastise him and his crackpot dictator buddies when they do something similar? Shrouded in a cloud of gloom he then catches a glimpse of his reflection and his mood brightens. Yes, yes, they are right; his hairdo does look great today. Tommo, do you want to be taken over by the North Koreans? FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!! ps You do know that posting on the internet in bold is considered to be shouting I take it? I am not deaf; just bored by your posts. Quote:
My sentiments exactly, I didn't even get through the first lot of boring facts and figures
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Thanks a million Walter. Glad I am not the only one with perspective.
It is better to have no public vote at all rather than one where it can be ignored. |
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You want a public vote of thousands that can easily be overturned by just 4 judges.
It is better to have no public vote at all rather than one where it can be ignored. |
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I have read on these forums that many consider Ore and Louise as the weakest. Many place Claudia above Danny.
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I started reading this thread, got a few lines down the original post, and nearly dozed off. FFS, what the hell does all this maths crap matter? It is an ENTERTAINMENT programme, not the end of civilisation as we know it. And I say that as someone who has a degree in maths. There are times and places for these sorts of analyses, and the SCD forum ain't one of them!
![]() I thought the "GET ED OUT ! HOW DARE HE SULLY THE DANCE FLOOR!" endless threads were tedious enough , but all these mathematical permutations are even more boring . By the way , "entertainment" left the show weeks ago . Now it's just a couple of ringers and a couple of vastly improved civilians buzzing around perfectly in boring perfection dance after perfect dance . I can't be arsed with all that perfection . I need trips and slips and fun and interesting and imperfect . |
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I know , it's insane how seriously the show gets taken .
![]() I thought the "GET ED OUT ! HOW DARE HE SULLY THE DANCE FLOOR!" endless threads were tedious enough , but all these mathematical permutations are even more boring . By the way , "entertainment" left the show weeks ago . Now it's just a couple of ringers and a couple of vastly improved civilians buzzing around perfectly in boring perfection dance after perfect dance . I can't be arsed with all that perfection . I need trips and slips and fun and interesting and imperfect . You know what? Those are my thoughts exactly. I thought this series was going to be great at the beginning. Now I find it very meh. |
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Yes:
Do not split your vote this week whatever the presenters or anyone else tells you. Pick 1 favourite you think must be in the final and vote JUST for them. Be prepared if your favourite is the lowest ranked on the leaderboard, then they will have to be public favourite to have any chance of surviving, they will almost certainly leave if 2nd with the public. They can even be given the boot if public favourite. Instead do what YOU tell us to do. Hmmm OOOOO KAY. ![]() Quote:
How do you know this is not an infiltration attempt by the North Koreans?
![]() Right now I can imagine the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is sitting in one of his many palaces surrounded by his generals and he is jealous. He is ignoring the sycophants around him who are commenting on how fantastic his hairdo looks today. Instead, he is watching BBC Strictly. Yes, he is jealous. If he were to run a heavily biased vote like the Strictly vote in North Korea then the BBC would probably be up in arms and pointing the finger of shame at him. But there is not a peep out of the BBC against the Strictly vote. He is probably asking himself how can the BBC get away with this biased vote, but then chastise him and his crackpot dictator buddies when they do something similar? Shrouded in a cloud of gloom he then catches a glimpse of his reflection and his mood brightens. Yes, yes, they are right; his hairdo does look great today. Tommo, do you want to be taken over by the North Koreans? ![]() ![]() You most definitely earn the prize for the most ridicolous and hyperbolic thread title of the year though.
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Yes:
Do not split your vote this week whatever the presenters or anyone else tells you. Pick 1 favourite you think must be in the final and vote JUST for them. Be prepared if your favourite is the lowest ranked on the leaderboard, then they will have to be public favourite to have any chance of surviving, they will almost certainly leave if 2nd with the public. They can even be given the boot if public favourite. I think people just enjoy being able to weigh in. How often have I read "I gave one vote to Thingy because Craig was so mean, one vote to Whatsit because he's trying so hard, and one vote to Thingamajig because she's the best dancer." |
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You want a public vote of thousands that can easily be overturned by just 4 judges.
It is better to have no public vote at all rather than one where it can be ignored. No celebrity would take the trouble of learning the actual dances to the level they do currently, it would be full of comedy routines. What percentage of the public actually know what to look for in each particular discipline ? I certainly don't and I've watched the programme every year since it started. We'd get a change to whooping audiences with Davina McCall presenting. Be careful what you wish for, the Beeb have already got rid of Bake Off.
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So don't do what the presenters or anyone else tells you to do. (I haven't heard or seen the producers telling anyone what to do anyway BTW).
Instead do what YOU tell us to do. Hmmm OOOOO KAY. ![]() Yet ironically the only person lobbying and telling people what to do or think on this thread and propping it up with spurious data of their own design is....you! ![]() ![]() You most definitely earn the prize for the most ridicolous and hyperbolic thread title of the year though. ![]() |
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[quote=B_OR;84847104]Yes:
Do not split your vote this week whatever the presenters or anyone else tells you. Pick 1 favourite you think must be in the final and vote JUST for them. Be prepared if your favourite is the lowest ranked on the leaderboard, then they will have to be public favourite to have any chance of surviving, they will almost certainly leave if 2nd with the public. They can even be given the boot if public favourite.[/QUOTE] So in other words, my fave Ed never really had a chance of getting to the final.. ![]() why all the mock 'outrage' about him getting so far, when all along he was headed for the buffers anyway?? |
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I know , it's insane how seriously the show gets taken .
![]() I thought the "GET ED OUT ! HOW DARE HE SULLY THE DANCE FLOOR!" endless threads were tedious enough , but all these mathematical permutations are even more boring . By the way , "entertainment" left the show weeks ago . Now it's just a couple of ringers and a couple of vastly improved civilians buzzing around perfectly in boring perfection dance after perfect dance . I can't be arsed with all that perfection . I need trips and slips and fun and interesting and imperfect . There is little interest in the 4 left...in comparison to Mr Balls, or indeed previous last 4 celebs...you can see that in the papers, but even more in the desperate threads that are cropping up on here! |
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You most definitely earn the prize for the most ridicolous and hyperbolic thread title of the year though.
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The Koreans would actually get the maths right.
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Can you imagine what Strictly would be like if it was just left to the public vote ?
No celebrity would take the trouble of learning the actual dances to the level they do currently, it would be full of comedy routines. What percentage of the public actually know what to look for in each particular discipline ? I certainly don't and I've watched the programme every year since it started. We'd get a change to whooping audiences with Davina McCall presenting. Be careful what you wish for, the Beeb have already got rid of Bake Off. ![]() Hooray! Someone who actually thinks like I do regarding the public vote. You read so many posts saying the DO should be eliminated, I thought I was the only person that sees it as a necessity. It's not without disadvantages mind, in the early stages it does have the unfortunate effect that you often get to see the two weakest dances twice. But there does need to be some way to moderate the public vote, otherwise, as Richmond says, you just end with a variant on the other ghastly reality shows. (It would also be helpful if the judges' voting was more consistent / made more sense!) |
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Her and Ore are the weakest dancers left and one of them is likely to go...with their head held high I may add.

). I'd rather just see the numbers presented though in a much shorter opening post as I think that would have been clearer.

