Yes; agreed.

In general Gabby's s behaviour is not excusable. She didn't t have Berniece but she did have a good upbringing with a mother figure and a decent, understanding Dad. However, at the moment she' s struggling to cope with her Dad's s serious illness. She's s very young to have to deal with her parent having an illness that can only get worse - there's s no hope at all. Laurel seems to be the only one seeing this and she's s too busy and stressed to talk to Gabby or try to help her.

I agree that in general Gabby is a brat. I just think at the moment there' s more to it than just bad behaviour. Si she needs to be punished but she also needs a lot of help and support. Maybe Berniece could talk to her head teacher - see if the school can help in any way.

Surely Aaron should know better as well? I mean, he's s not a kid! They' re both pretty poor, although Aaron at least has the excuse that he hasn't been a parent for 15 years like Berniece has

What do you reckon Aaron's response would have been had it been the other way around and Gabby had posted a video of a naked Liv on the internet

I seriously doubt he'd be taking any responsibility or "constructive" approach to Liv's behaviour but would be screaming blue murder at Bernice instead

Aaron's completely out of his depth. All he does us say ' don't do it again' and even that's less than half hearted. It's s almost like he can't t be bothered!

That is, of course, an hypothetical question! However, I've never tried to make the case that Aaron has proved an adequate guardian for Liv, merely that he isn't as useless and as vacuous as Bernice, who is an adult and a Mother twice over and should know better.

Aaron, at least, does love and care for his sister, Liv. Bernice gives every indication of not giving a fig about Gabby, and just regards her as a pain in the behind, when she gets into trouble. She takes no notice of, or gives no attention to, Gabby until some kind of problem arises, and then her response is pathetic and useless, as on this occasion. And what of her younger daughter, Diane? She seems to have lost her/forgotten about her completely.


I agree that Aaron is out of his depth. He has, however, made some sort of meaningful approach to dealing with Liv regarding the current incident.

He said to Liv 'What were you thinking of?', and told her that she 'of all people' should have known of the consequences of posting the video on the Internet. When Liv said that Gabby was a lightweight for not holding her drink, he told Liv that Gabby had had to receive hospital treatment as a consequence. Aaron knows that Liv has done wrong and has pointed it out to her very clearly, what he hasn't done is to impose an appropriate sanction, and that's his failing, on this occasion.

Bernice, on the other hand, has not taken any responsibility, has absolved Gabby of any blame and has heaped all the responsibility on Liv, followed by Aaron & Chas. Aaron has defended Liv against Bernice's accusations, and I would not blame him for that. Both youngsters are equally to blame. Bernice has almost set about Liv, wrenching her phone off her, Aaron has shown no hostility to Gabby.

What Gabby needs right now is love and support in the face of her Father's deteriorating condition. Ashley is out of the equation for this. Laurel, to her credit, has made a bit of an effort, but is too overwhelmed. Bernice should be picking up the responsibility and giving Gabby the love and support that she needs, and that doesn't mean letting her off the hook for everything either. Does Bernice even know that Gabby has been missing school? Let alone that she's been missing school to visit her Father in the day centre? She hasn't a clue what Gabby is going through and how this is affecting her mentally, or her behaviour. She's more intent is doing some more 'me, me, me' shopping and thinking of where to look for her next man.

You do make me laugh sometimes - I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you about Bernice's failings as a mother - and yet, here you are, writing chapter & verse on the subject as if you think we need to be educated.

Of course, as is always the case - none of this is really about Bernice - its primarily your defense instincts and your need to defend the character of Aaron against those who dare to criticise him - what better way to do that than to highlight the ineptitude of another character (who has many years of history to be critical of).


Of course - its all mostly irrelevant - this whole story is little more than a sub-plot to add weight to the bigger plot of Robron setting up house together.

In the past she has behaved like she'd been left to drag herself up. I can understand her going off the rails when Ashley and Laurel split up then Berniece came back, to some extent anyway -and certainly just now I can sympathise but what was her excuse for being a brat before all this happened?She's got a history of being horrible! I' m only now beginning to like her because we are seeing a softer side, even if she's s getting it wrong.

Well, I'm glad that I make you laugh at least.

If my intent is to 'defend Aaron against those who dare to criticise him', then I'm making a very half hearted effort of it, as I agree with much (though not all) of what's said about his parenting skills.

The fact of the matter is that there are those who think that Aaron is the devil incarnate and those who think that he's a secular saint. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between.

I've never shied away from criticism of Aaron, where it's due, or defended the indefensible. I will, however, say what I think when others' expressed views do not, in my view, fit what we've seen on screen, and I can see nothing wrong with that!

Aaron has been given an unfair drubbing by some regarding Liv, whilst Bernice has got off scot free. Aaron is an amateur, whereas Bernice ought to be a professional by now! I merely seek to redress the balance. As for Robron, I'm not much fussed either way.

Poor Teifiboi, you' re getting it from all sides I do see where you're coming from, I just can't t help thinking that Aaron thought it would be all trips to MacDonalds and the cinema, whereas you' d think with his own teenage troubles he might be aware there' s more to it. He seems like he's s floundering but rather than facing up to that, he's s hiding behind the ' she's s just a kid.' on the other hand he is very young and really too mixed up himself to be in loco parentis for a teenager. Different if he had been involved in her upbringing and knew her better.

Teifiboi is well able to take it

I have to admit I do like Aaron and liv's relationship

My shoulders are broad!


Quite right!

There's no doubt that they're brother and sister. Aaron's cumuppance for being a teenage yobbish nightmare (until tamed by Paddy & Jackson) is to have to deal with Liv exhibiting much of the same bolshie behaviour!