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Leaked memo confirms David Davis will go into talks with 'have our cake and eat it' |
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Did I mention Single Market membership? I don't expect the UK to be in the Single Market after Brexit, nor would I want it for the exact reasons you mention (and other reasons). I'd expect a trading agreement with the EU and nothing more, probably in the form of a Free Trade agreement as that benefits us and them.
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It doesn't matter what deal Davis puts forward - with or without Parliament's approval - if you think we would get the nod from all member states...jog on!
Hard Brexit (no single market) is what we should go with...and with any luck...what we may end up with. |
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It actually stems from the propaganda spouted by the Mail and Express etc claiming that Merkel is a dictator who is in charge of the EU. People are so used to reading this garbage that they think it's actually correct and that the deal that the UK gets from the EU after Brexit will be decided by Merkel alone.
Which is why politically, they'll struggle to offer a decent deal because they're committed socialists, ie most happy when they're spending other people's money. As for Davis, being a former artist, he's probably used to tough negotiations.. |
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The UK has the exact same deal that the other member states have ie. full access to the 28 nation Single Market without any restrictions whatsoever. If Britain has a 'bad deal', then everyone has a bad deal.
Now, I wonder what might happen if the UK opened up the Commonwealth as an economic trading bloc, but with out all the regualtions.. |
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Actually.. If you bothered to find out more about how the EU works, you'd realise Merkel is boss of Germany. And boss of Germany's CDU. Which is a member of the European People's Party.. Which is the largest political grouping in both the European Parliament and on the Council. And headed by dear'ol Junker.
Which is why politically, they'll struggle to offer a decent deal because they're committed socialists, ie most happy when they're spending other people's money. As for Davis, being a former artist, he's probably used to tough negotiations.. |
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The point there would be that many would regard a free trade agreement as being vastly inferior to full membership of the Single Market.
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Juncker is not a German, he's a French speaking former Luxembourg PM.
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Yes, I know. So the EPP.. how many MPs do they have in the UK?
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Juncker is not a German, he's a French speaking former Luxembourg PM. Indeed, it's rumoured the Germans may have been opposed to his appointment as President of the European Commission.
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We know that. It was never said he was German. Merkels's CDU is a member of the cross EU EPP of which Juncker is the head.
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It would be very nice to think that the UK could somehow come out of this with a good deal but TBH - once we trigger article 50 - the rest of the EU countries don't have to agree with anything at all do they? They may just say - we accept your decision - see ya.
There's nothing spiteful or vindictive about it IMO - article 50 is simply a notice of resignation isn't it? |
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It would be very nice to think that the UK could somehow come out of this with a good deal but TBH - once we trigger article 50 - the rest of the EU countries don't have to agree with anything at all do they? They may just say - we accept your decision - see ya.
There's nothing spiteful or vindictive about it IMO - article 50 is simply a notice of resignation isn't it? |
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