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Old 10-12-2016, 10:09
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I could understand if it was just James Jordan that said it. I get what you say he may have a problem with them, but others have said it too. Unless they all have something against the Cliftons. Which seems odd that 3 or 4 people would have a problem with them.
Give us names and when you 'read' it. I'm genuinely curious to know how you're the only person, on a board full of fans of the show, who has managed to see it and believe it despite all the actual evidence there is that it's false.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:09
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Excuse me if I don't have my internet history from that long ago to provide you links. I don't know they're lies that's why I've been asking to find out. I've not lied about anything if you want to call professionals liars that's fine but I've genuinely read it.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:11
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what evidence is there to deny it?
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:17
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I feel like if you can't show who has said this or even have links to the persons twitter that you do remember saying it, maybe you should stop spreading it around. Especially when posters on here that are active in the dance world have told you that Keith is busy running his own dance school and not working on strictly.

Would his name not be in the credits if he was contributing to the show? Don't you think he'd put it on his website? The only reference to strictly on there is when some couples from his school danced on the show at blackpool with a video.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:23
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I think it's pretty evenly distributed. It's just funny how there's only mention when Karen or Jeanette are the leads, but no one says a word when other pros are tge leads.

Btw, Jeanette and Karen were simply amazing as the leads in that west side story pro dance. Amazing!
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:25
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I've not spread it around I've clearly asked what job he has at strictly, as from what I've read he works there. From me reading that I've always wondered what job he has there. I've told you I read James Jordan's twitter as he's the one I remember. For obvious reasons he's very vocal the others I don't remember. I've still not had proof he doesn't work on strictly, just cos he has a dance school isn't proof. There no point in going over the same thing. Your entitled to your beliefs.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:25
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Pasha was actually in burn the floor too so I don't think that's entirely true.
True, but before the others were... Maybe not in the Gilkinson era? I could be mistaken though. The BTF connection was always the reason I assumed those 4 were favoured, and I really feel they are - even when they're not the featured couples they are still most often at the forefront.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:29
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It seems like people will complain whatever the Cliftons do, if they're shown to be on the show at all. And then the baseless 'I read it on twitter' rumours are created to build up the 'unfair' treatment rumour.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:33
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True, but before the others were... Maybe not in the Gilkinson era? I could be mistaken though. The BTF connection was always the reason I assumed those 4 were favoured, and I really feel they are - even when they're not the featured couples they are still most often at the forefront.
Jason became the artistic director of BTF in 2005 and Pasha and Anya joined in 2009.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:34
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I've not spread it around I've clearly asked what job he has at strictly, as from what I've read he works there. From me reading that I've always wondered what job he has there. I've told you I read James Jordan's twitter as he's the one I remember. For obvious reasons he's very vocal the others I don't remember. I've still not had proof he doesn't work on strictly, just cos he has a dance school isn't proof. There no point in going over the same thing. Your entitled to your beliefs.
Possibly James said it around the time the kids from Clifton's dance school were on the show in Blackpool a few years ago, that would make sense and is very JJ. A few others would take what he said as gospel.

But if you think about it even had Keith Clifton been part of the show (and I don't believe he was bar that one episode) he still wouldn't have the power to favour Kevin/Jo etc.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:35
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Jason became the artistic director of BTF in 2005 and Pasha and Anya joined in 2009.
Well in that case I don't know why Pasha's been shoved out of sight all series, it's a big shame though. The BTF connection was the only reason I could sensibly see for the dominance of those 4 in the group dances.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:40
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I've not spread it around I've clearly asked what job he has at strictly, as from what I've read he works there. From me reading that I've always wondered what job he has there. I've told you I read James Jordan's twitter as he's the one I remember. For obvious reasons he's very vocal the others I don't remember. I've still not had proof he doesn't work on strictly, just cos he has a dance school isn't proof. There no point in going over the same thing. Your entitled to your beliefs.
I often read James's Twitter feed and I remember no such quote. If you can't be bothered to find the comment then you really shouldn't be suggesting anything as it is not fair to Kevin, Jo or James. It is absolutely not up to others to prove that an allegation is untrue. It is up to you to prove it is true. How would you feel if I wrote something unpleasant about you online and then suggested it was up to you to prove it to be untrue?
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:56
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It's not up to me to prove it's true at all how do I know? Do I work at the BBC to have the answers? Do I have a list of everyone who works at strictly? All I can say is what I geuinely read. I feel like this is actually taking attention from the OP. You can keep going on at me but it's not going to change what I read. It's not my fault if you haven't read it, it still doesn't change what I've read. I don't see how I'm being unfair when all I've said is what I've read and asked a simple question.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:57
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I've not spread it around I've clearly asked what job he has at strictly, as from what I've read he works there. From me reading that I've always wondered what job he has there. I've told you I read James Jordan's twitter as he's the one I remember. For obvious reasons he's very vocal the others I don't remember. I've still not had proof he doesn't work on strictly, just cos he has a dance school isn't proof. There no point in going over the same thing. Your entitled to your beliefs.
He has a dance school
His dance school has a website
The only involvement with the show is mentioned on the site - that some couples from his school danced during the opening number of blackpool a few years ago
If he was more involved with strictly he would put it on the website to encourage people to join his school

His name isn't in the credits

It isn't on his linkedin

If you google "Keith Clifton Strictly Come Dancing" there are no results that show an involvement with the show beyond being Kevin and Jo's dad and his students being in the blackpool opening number.

If you were a professional dancer/dance teacher who had worked on the show you would most likely use strictly's name to promote yourself or your school - so it would be mentioned on the internet if Keith had worked on SCD.

Proving that something ISN'T true is harder than proving it is since it's not like "doesn't work on strictly come dancing" is going to be on his linkedin or schools site - but all of the above is pretty convincing, right?
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:01
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It's not up to me to prove it's true at all how do I know? Do I work at the BBC to have the answers? Do I have a list of everyone who works at strictly? All I can say is what I geuinely read. I feel like this is actually taking attention from the OP. You can keep going on at me but it's not going to change what I read. It's not my fault if you haven't read it, it still doesn't change what I've read. I don't see how I'm being unfair when all I've said is what I've read and asked a simple question.
You come into the thread claiming you read somewhere, that Kevin and Jo's dad works on the show, so of course it's your job to bring a link or something to back it up, too. Demanding others to prove that he doesn't work for the show just doesn't work. You're just spreading baseless gossip, that's all.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:09
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I'm really not. I'm saying what I've read. If I had a job and didn't want someone to know where I worked I wouldn't include it on my website that is me speaking personally. I think having Kevin and jo on strictly would be enough to bring people to join the school. The only way we'll ever know is if we get a list every person who works at strictly. I can't say I've not read something I have then I would be lying which I'm not going to do. All I can do is say what I've read. I'm sorry if that upsets people.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:12
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Apologies to StellaBella05.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:23
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I'm really not. I'm saying what I've read. If I had a job and didn't want someone to know where I worked I wouldn't include it on my website that is me speaking personally. I think having Kevin and jo on strictly would be enough to bring people to join the school. The only way we'll ever know is if we get a list every person who works at strictly. I can't say I've not read something I have then I would be lying which I'm not going to do. All I can do is say what I've read. I'm sorry if that upsets people.
If you do a search on Twitter there are now no tweets from James Jordan about the Clifton's dad, working on Strictly or otherwise, so maybe if he ever did say it he realised it was untrue and deleted it? Do you seriously think if their dad was secretly employed by the BBC and deliberately trying to hide it, while using his position to put his children front and centre at every opportunity, it wouldn't have come out by now? In the sense of being actual links to interviews by ex pros or FMs on here who know people in the dance world mentioning it?
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:26
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Apologies to StellaBella05.
no need to apologise. Nearly 10% of your entire posting history over 11 years has gone onto this thread. Its obviously very very important to you and i'm really glad you've found the courage to post so openly and honestly about this important topic.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:28
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I'm really not. I'm saying what I've read. If I had a job and didn't want someone to know where I worked I wouldn't include it on my website that is me speaking personally. I think having Kevin and jo on strictly would be enough to bring people to join the school. The only way we'll ever know is if we get a list every person who works at strictly. I can't say I've not read something I have then I would be lying which I'm not going to do. All I can do is say what I've read. I'm sorry if that upsets people.
Why wouldn't he want people to know where he worked? Because of some huge clifton cover up conspiracy at the BBC? Does Keith arrive to Elstree in a trench coat and shades, reading a newspaper with eye holes cut out?

Maybe for the list of people who work at strictly you can try reading the credits at the end of the show?

If you hear an unsubstantiated rumour about someone and pass it on then you are still spreading gossip. You don't have to believe everything you read, and you don't have to repeat it everywhere either. If people want to post stuff that I know is untrue I will respond. Like JJ I just like to tell it like it is. I'm also the Brad Pitt of digital spy.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:53
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I never said he wouldn't want anyone to know where he works. Me personally if I didn't want people to know I wouldn't post it on a website. Yes cos the end credits really show every single person who involved in the production of the show. If they did that they'd need very long end credits.

I'm not spreading gossip, I simply asked what he did on strictly. People then asked where I got this from, I then told them. I never said James Jordan tells it like it is, but I guess if your saying you are like JJ and tells it how it is. Are you now backtracking and saying he was telling it how it is?
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:14
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Apologies to StellaBella05.
No problem, good to have a lively debate imo!

That BTF connnection with Strictly is interesting. I'm quite new to watching the show so didn't know that.

I just feel as a viewer it would be nice to have it a bit more evenly distributed, and I say that as a fan of all the pros on the show. I mean I don't mean to single Janette out (and she seems a lovely person and is a wonderful dancer) but off the top of my head she seems to be the focal point in many group routines and has been in the guest singer performances more than the others.

For example, off the top of my head, in terms of the guest singers, hasn't Chloe only been featured in the Gary Barlow one whereas Janette was in that one too, one with Giovanni, this one with Pasha and was the lead in the WSS one too.

I'm quite new to the show so just wanted to know why this would be the case, not to bash anyone at all.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:16
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I never said he wouldn't want anyone to know where he works. Me personally if I didn't want people to know I wouldn't post it on a website. Yes cos the end credits really show every single person who involved in the production of the show. If they did that they'd need very long end credits.

I'm not spreading gossip, I simply asked what he did on strictly. People then asked where I got this from, I then told them. I never said James Jordan tells it like it is, but I guess if your saying you are like JJ and tells it how it is. Are you now backtracking and saying he was telling it how it is?
So what do YOU believe? Do you think Keith Clifton works for Strictly?
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:23
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I never said he wouldn't want anyone to know where he works. Me personally if I didn't want people to know I wouldn't post it on a website. Yes cos the end credits really show every single person who involved in the production of the show. If they did that they'd need very long end credits.

I'm not spreading gossip, I simply asked what he did on strictly. People then asked where I got this from, I then told them. I never said James Jordan tells it like it is, but I guess if your saying you are like JJ and tells it how it is. Are you now backtracking and saying he was telling it how it is?
I think all the bigwigs with any pull over the show would be represented in the credits though, don't you?

You also brought it up in this thread, saying that pros have stated that Keith works on the show. But you can't remember which ones or where you read it.

No - I was poking fun at JJ in a light hearted way.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:31
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I thought from what I read that he did, hence my question what does he do? It wasn't a question of if he works for strictly I was asking what he did. What I read said he did just can't remember it saying what or if it did i can't remember what it was. Unless I work for strictly and know every single person who works there I wouldn't be able to say.
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