The woman is lucky the policemen weren't white, she would be shot dead by now
cops leave homeless disabled woman on ground for a while
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Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Sorry, you'll have to remind me where I said that it did.
Yes, I'm sure you would have done.”
“Sorry, you'll have to remind me where I said that it did.
Yes, I'm sure you would have done.”
You implied that an ambulance should have been called, ambulances are when someone is sick police when someone breaks the law.
Originally Posted by That username:
“You implied that an ambulance should have been called, ambulances are when someone is sick police when someone breaks the law.”
“You implied that an ambulance should have been called, ambulances are when someone is sick police when someone breaks the law.”
Jesus wept.
Ok, I'll state the obvious. A criminal is caught in the act of robbing a bank, then when apprehended becomes very ill - maybe a heart attack or stroke. Is he slung in the cells or taken to hospital under police escort, but under the care of paramedics?
I mean, I would have thought such things were blindingly obvious.
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“The woman is lucky the policemen weren't white, she would be shot dead by now”
“The woman is lucky the policemen weren't white, she would be shot dead by now”
Why because black officers don't shoot people?
Black officers are 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun then white offices according to University of Pennsylvania
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Jesus wept.
Ok, I'll state the obvious. A criminal is caught in the act of robbing a bank, then when apprehended becomes very ill - maybe a heart attack or stroke. Is he slung in the cells or taken to hospital under police escort, but under the care of paramedics?
I mean, I would have thought such things were blindingly obvious.”
“Jesus wept.
Ok, I'll state the obvious. A criminal is caught in the act of robbing a bank, then when apprehended becomes very ill - maybe a heart attack or stroke. Is he slung in the cells or taken to hospital under police escort, but under the care of paramedics?
I mean, I would have thought such things were blindingly obvious.”
Not sure what your on about????
The woman in the video was being aggressive not having a heart attack!
Originally Posted by That username:
“Why because black officers don't shoot people?
Black officers are 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun then white offices according to University of Pennsylvania”
“Why because black officers don't shoot people?
Black officers are 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun then white offices according to University of Pennsylvania”
That's odd, all we see on TV news are white officers shooting black people and subsequent riots by the black community
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Hmm, well if the two cops involved had half a brain between them, they'd have already known of the potential risk to the woman and either radioed for an ambulance or found an alternative method of dealing with the situation, which avoided the need to arrest.”
“Hmm, well if the two cops involved had half a brain between them, they'd have already known of the potential risk to the woman and either radioed for an ambulance or found an alternative method of dealing with the situation, which avoided the need to arrest.”
Poor training basically, or a lack of guidelines for dealing with such cases.
If she was just annoying customers and begging, and needed to be removed from the property and possibly gone to the police station, there would have been far better ways of handling this. She is clearly a weak disabled female and should have been handled with more dignity.
Originally Posted by That username:
“Not sure what your on about????
The woman in the video was being aggressive not having a heart attack!”
“Not sure what your on about????
The woman in the video was being aggressive not having a heart attack!”
You don't know what I'm on about? You've really no conception of the blindingly obvious principle involved?
Okkkkaaayyy
She was objecting to being moved from the wheelchair - I wouldn't call that aggression, I'd call it quite reasonable concern for her own safety, especially as she said they were hurting her. You can clearly she she wasn't in any position to offer any physical resistance.
The cops had a) no idea of her condition, and b) whether their method removing her from the wheelchair might cause further physical problems for the lady.
Originally Posted by Susie_Smith:
“Poor training basically, or a lack of guidelines for dealing with such cases.
If she was just annoying customers and begging, and needed to be removed from the property and possibly gone to the police station, there would have been far better ways of handling this. She is clearly a weak disabled female and should have been handled with more dignity.”
“Poor training basically, or a lack of guidelines for dealing with such cases.
If she was just annoying customers and begging, and needed to be removed from the property and possibly gone to the police station, there would have been far better ways of handling this. She is clearly a weak disabled female and should have been handled with more dignity.”
Absolutely spot on. She is a vulnerable person, and the situation should have been handled very differently, much more sensitively, preferably with female officers too (if resources permitted)
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“You don't know what I'm on about? You've really no conception of the blindingly obvious principle involved?
Okkkkaaayyy
She was objecting to being moved from the wheelchair - I wouldn't call that aggression, I'd call it quite reasonable concern for her own safety, especially as she said they were hurting her. You can clearly she she wasn't in any position to offer any physical resistance.
The cops had a) no idea of her condition, and b) whether their method removing her from the wheelchair might cause further physical problems for the lady.”
“You don't know what I'm on about? You've really no conception of the blindingly obvious principle involved?
Okkkkaaayyy
She was objecting to being moved from the wheelchair - I wouldn't call that aggression, I'd call it quite reasonable concern for her own safety, especially as she said they were hurting her. You can clearly she she wasn't in any position to offer any physical resistance.
The cops had a) no idea of her condition, and b) whether their method removing her from the wheelchair might cause further physical problems for the lady.”
Your making assumptions on your a and b points.
It is not reasonable to be aggressive when your being arrested, if there was a reason she could not be removed from her chair then she should have stated it
Or are you sayiong everyone should have the right to be aggressive when arrested. I often watch the reality shows and people scream they are getting hurt when being arrested
Originally Posted by That username:
“Your making assumptions on your a and b points.”
“Your making assumptions on your a and b points.”
No, I'm acting as though I were making a risk assessment.
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“It is not reasonable to be aggressive when your being arrested, if there was a reason she could not be removed from her chair then she should have stated it”
“It is not reasonable to be aggressive when your being arrested, if there was a reason she could not be removed from her chair then she should have stated it”
She wsn't being aggressive. Unless you call the pleading reactions of a helpless, vulnerable person being manhandled by two guys, aggressive. Odd definition of aggressive if you are.
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“Or are you sayiong everyone should have the right to be aggressive when arrested. I often watch the reality shows and people scream they are getting hurt when being arrested”
“Or are you sayiong everyone should have the right to be aggressive when arrested. I often watch the reality shows and people scream they are getting hurt when being arrested”
I'm saying the two officers involved should not have removed her from the wheelchair. If it really was that vital to get her to the police station, another method should have been found, which I'm sure it wouldn't have been beyond their collective wit to make happen.
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“No, I'm acting as though I were making a risk assessment.
She wsn't being aggressive. Unless you call the pleading reactions of a helpless, vulnerable person being manhandled by two guys, aggressive. Odd definition of aggressive if you are.
I'm saying the two officers involved should not have removed her from the wheelchair. If it really was that vital to get her to the police station, another method should have been found, which I'm sure it wouldn't have been beyond their collective wit to make happen.”
“No, I'm acting as though I were making a risk assessment.
She wsn't being aggressive. Unless you call the pleading reactions of a helpless, vulnerable person being manhandled by two guys, aggressive. Odd definition of aggressive if you are.
I'm saying the two officers involved should not have removed her from the wheelchair. If it really was that vital to get her to the police station, another method should have been found, which I'm sure it wouldn't have been beyond their collective wit to make happen.”
We really do not know before hand what had gone on and again should she be treated differently because she is disabled?
No harm came to her by removing her from her chair, so presumably your risk assessment is wrong. How weak was she, she seamed fit enough to struggle and to cause trouble?
They did call for an ambulance
Originally Posted by That username:
“We really do not know before hand what had gone on and again should she be treated differently because she is disabled?”
“We really do not know before hand what had gone on and again should she be treated differently because she is disabled?”
In terms of physically handling her, yes, of course she should.
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“No harm came to her by removing her from her chair, so presumably your risk assessment is wrong”
“No harm came to her by removing her from her chair, so presumably your risk assessment is wrong”
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How do you know? In any case even if no harm did come to her, is 20/20 hindsight a valid reason not to make a risk assessment?
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“How weak was she, she seamed fit enough to struggle and to cause trouble?”
“How weak was she, she seamed fit enough to struggle and to cause trouble?”
You call that a struggle?
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“They did call for an ambulance”
“They did call for an ambulance”
Yes, after the idiots had removed her.
Originally Posted by Zeropoint1:
“I see what you mean. But a better statement would perhaps be -
"That anybody should be homeless is a disgraceful indictment of our modern society"
Disability, race, gender, sexuality or anything else shouldn't matter. But once again I understand what you mean and it's disgraceful.
Another argument would be if we stopped importing the worlds poor and hungry and looked after our own homeless first the situation perhaps may, just may be different. But that's another argument for another thread.”
“I see what you mean. But a better statement would perhaps be -
"That anybody should be homeless is a disgraceful indictment of our modern society"
Disability, race, gender, sexuality or anything else shouldn't matter. But once again I understand what you mean and it's disgraceful.
Another argument would be if we stopped importing the worlds poor and hungry and looked after our own homeless first the situation perhaps may, just may be different. But that's another argument for another thread.”
Oh absolutely. That too. Goes without saying.
I think it was Gandhi who said "You can judge a society by how it treats its weakest members".
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