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confirmed: Russia interfered with USA elections (secret cia assessment)
https://mic.com/articles/161869/acco...ump#.qnV4AHvW7
Its in Russia's interests to break up the EU. Could they have manipulated / hacked brexit and indyref too? nothing to suggest they never! |
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For anyone who can't be bothered with the link, it's saying the overall view in the intelligence community is that the Clinton email links were "part of a deliberate attempt to hurt Clinton in the polls".
I wouldn't be surprised - Putin's had a very successful year and I'd be more surprised if Russia hadn't made any efforts to make these things shappen - but there's no evidence behind it and it's too late anyway. |
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Well nothing is "confirmed" as such, it's only speculation from a source that they have evidence.
James Comey's actions clearly cost Clinton the election, so whether or not that was at the behest of Russia is something they'll need to find out. |
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If Russia did have a hand in it, you can be sure it will have been in cahoots with some high powered individuals in the USA, who didn't want to see Clinton succeed.
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I missed that memo about the CIA telling the truth
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https://mic.com/articles/161869/acco...ump#.qnV4AHvW7
Its in Russia's interests to break up the EU. Could they have manipulated / hacked brexit and indyref too? nothing to suggest they never! |
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Right, so the spy agency of one country has accused the spy agency of another country of acting like a spy agency? Oh my god where will it end, the outrage.
I don't think we can give it any more credibility than that unless the analysis has been made public, otherwise it has to go in the same bucket as 'yeah it was the north koreans wot done it'. How do we know it wasn't a false flag by a double agent masquerading as Trump in a triple-whammy? |
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Or more than likely Clinton backers are trying to get the elections derailed so that the results can be declared null and void and the election re-held or something. Getting quite desperate now, that the recount thing didn't work. Turned out Clinton actually lost votes on that one. And funny how they didn't want a recount in all states.
Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin' And Clinton doesn't need somebody badmouthing her. Her own behaviour does that for her. |
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Well Trump did say he thought the election would be rigged (until he won that is).
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Or more than likely Clinton backers are trying to get the elections derailed so that the results can be declared null and void and the election re-held or something. Getting quite desperate now, that the recount thing didn't work. Turned out Clinton actually lost votes on that one. And funny how they didn't want a recount in all states.
Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin' And Clinton doesn't need somebody badmouthing her. Her own behaviour does that for her. |
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Not half as much as the FBI.
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Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin'
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Or more than likely Clinton backers are trying to get the elections derailed so that the results can be declared null and void and the election re-held or something. Getting quite desperate now, that the recount thing didn't work. Turned out Clinton actually lost votes on that one. And funny how they didn't want a recount in all states.
Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin' And Clinton doesn't need somebody badmouthing her. Her own behaviour does that for her. Instead of a misleading release about Hillary. |
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Right, so the spy agency of one country has accused the spy agency of another country of acting like a spy agency? Oh my god where will it end, the outrage.
I don't think we can give it any more credibility than that unless the analysis has been made public, otherwise it has to go in the same bucket as 'yeah it was the north koreans wot done it'. How do we know it wasn't a false flag by a double agent masquerading as Trump in a triple-whammy? |
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And I suppose the CIA don't do anything to influence elections in other countries
![]() One of the first things Trump will be briefed about are covert CIA operations around the world. And it's not as if Putin held a gun to US voters to vote the the way they did |
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And I suppose the CIA don't do anything to influence elections in other countries
![]() One of the first things Trump will be briefed about are covert CIA operations around the world. And it's not as if Putin held a gun to US voters to vote the the way they did |
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Isn't there a difference between spying and interfering?
AFAICT this is mainly about stuff from a hacked server getting published. Any particularly interesting server will get more unwelcome attention and scrutiny than most, and known users are likely to get targeted for spearing but there's also the chance it wasn't fully secured and got done by a script and the implications weren't known straight away. Then whoever got the info flogged it to the Russians because they were most likely to buy without sending in a SWAT team instead, used the interesting stuff for themselves and punted the rest out to the world because stirring things up is what spy agencies do, as per 'degrees of assertiveness' remark above - though noting your own remark above, some was going to be more stir-worthy than the rest. TLDR I don't see this as having been anything particularly special, it looks an awful lot like 'business as usual'. |
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The C.I.A.have been doing this sort of thing for years in South America, bit late for em to be crying foul now the boot is on the other foot.
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Only in degrees of assertiveness.
AFAICT this is mainly about stuff from a hacked server getting published. Any particularly interesting server will get more unwelcome attention and scrutiny than most, and known users are likely to get targeted for spearing but there's also the chance it wasn't fully secured and got done by a script and the implications weren't known straight away. Then whoever got the info flogged it to the Russians because they were most likely to buy without sending in a SWAT team instead, used the interesting stuff for themselves and punted the rest out to the world because stirring things up is what spy agencies do, as per 'degrees of assertiveness' remark above - though noting your own remark above, some was going to be more stir-worthy than the rest. TLDR I don't see this as having been anything particularly special, it looks an awful lot like 'business as usual'. In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia’s role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals. Sounds more like they were instigators. |
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The allegations:
On Wednesday, Congressmen Elijah Cummings (D-MD) and Eric Swalwell (D-CA) introduced a bill to create an independent commission to investigate Russian government involvement in the digital attacks that shook the presidential election this year. It’s an extensive list. Security experts have linked Russian actors to hacker breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the emails accounts of Hillary Clinton aide John Podesta and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, the voter rolls of Arizona, Illinois, and Florida, and a deluge of fake news. The 12-member commission, to be chosen by both Republicans and Democrats, would present their findings and recommendations for preventing future attacks in 18 months. |
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THE CIA couldn't find their own arses with both hands, a torch and set of GPS co-ordinates.
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THE CIA couldn't find their own arses with both hands, a torch and set of GPS co-ordinates.
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The Washington Post said this:
[...] Sounds more like they were instigators. Similarly, we don't know if 'connected to' means 'employed by' or 'has previously bought stuff from', and then we get to the bit where we don;t know if 'instigated by' is the actuality or someone somewhere claimed credit for the idea afterwards. Basically what we are seeing is at least fourth-hand, even if it does appear to be a direct quote. |
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When conspiracy theories come from a government or the establishment a lot of people tend to believe them.
I'm surprised that so many have forgotten the lessons learned after the war In Iraq just over a decade ago. Or maybe they didn't even learn them in the first place. Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minute warning, a 12 year olds homework used as evidence, people who had something to gain by offering evidence which was mere hearsay. And now we've got all this crap from the Democrats about 'fake' news. Which is quite ironic when most mainstream news is based around rumour, 'expert' punditry based on what they think, or reporting on what somebody has said on Twitter as news. But we're expected to blindly accept it on face value as truth without scrutiny or question. Look at the title of this thread 'Confirmed'. No evidence required, but its confirmed. It reminds me of that old episode of Brass Eye, "Now that is scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it ... but it is scientific fact" |
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If there was no corruption, there'd be no corruption to expose.
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