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Old 10-12-2016, 09:16
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https://mic.com/articles/161869/acco...ump#.qnV4AHvW7

Its in Russia's interests to break up the EU. Could they have manipulated / hacked brexit and indyref too? nothing to suggest they never!
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:25
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For anyone who can't be bothered with the link, it's saying the overall view in the intelligence community is that the Clinton email links were "part of a deliberate attempt to hurt Clinton in the polls".

I wouldn't be surprised - Putin's had a very successful year and I'd be more surprised if Russia hadn't made any efforts to make these things shappen - but there's no evidence behind it and it's too late anyway.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:37
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Well nothing is "confirmed" as such, it's only speculation from a source that they have evidence.

James Comey's actions clearly cost Clinton the election, so whether or not that was at the behest of Russia is something they'll need to find out.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:47
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If Russia did have a hand in it, you can be sure it will have been in cahoots with some high powered individuals in the USA, who didn't want to see Clinton succeed.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:54
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I missed that memo about the CIA telling the truth
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:57
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https://mic.com/articles/161869/acco...ump#.qnV4AHvW7

Its in Russia's interests to break up the EU. Could they have manipulated / hacked brexit and indyref too? nothing to suggest they never!
It's not confirmed at all! And in my opinion, highly unlikely too.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:03
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Right, so the spy agency of one country has accused the spy agency of another country of acting like a spy agency? Oh my god where will it end, the outrage.

I don't think we can give it any more credibility than that unless the analysis has been made public, otherwise it has to go in the same bucket as 'yeah it was the north koreans wot done it'.

How do we know it wasn't a false flag by a double agent masquerading as Trump in a triple-whammy?
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:17
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Or more than likely Clinton backers are trying to get the elections derailed so that the results can be declared null and void and the election re-held or something. Getting quite desperate now, that the recount thing didn't work. Turned out Clinton actually lost votes on that one. And funny how they didn't want a recount in all states.

Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin'

And Clinton doesn't need somebody badmouthing her. Her own behaviour does that for her.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:37
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Well Trump did say he thought the election would be rigged (until he won that is).
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:52
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Or more than likely Clinton backers are trying to get the elections derailed so that the results can be declared null and void and the election re-held or something. Getting quite desperate now, that the recount thing didn't work. Turned out Clinton actually lost votes on that one. And funny how they didn't want a recount in all states.

Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin'

And Clinton doesn't need somebody badmouthing her. Her own behaviour does that for her.
Jill Stein and Clinton did get more votes overall than Trump, but he got the popular vote. Not that I'm praising her behaviour of course! Neither have clean hands!
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:52
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Not half as much as the FBI.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:13
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Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin'
It probably got forwarded to an unsecure email server
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:31
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Or more than likely Clinton backers are trying to get the elections derailed so that the results can be declared null and void and the election re-held or something. Getting quite desperate now, that the recount thing didn't work. Turned out Clinton actually lost votes on that one. And funny how they didn't want a recount in all states.

Oh and another thing, if it's a SECRET CIA assessment, why has it been splashed all over the Washington Times? Normally if secret material is released, somebody goes to jail over it. Just sayin'

And Clinton doesn't need somebody badmouthing her. Her own behaviour does that for her.
More importantly, why wasn't it released before the election, so voters could know about it?

Instead of a misleading release about Hillary.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:35
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Right, so the spy agency of one country has accused the spy agency of another country of acting like a spy agency? Oh my god where will it end, the outrage.

I don't think we can give it any more credibility than that unless the analysis has been made public, otherwise it has to go in the same bucket as 'yeah it was the north koreans wot done it'.

How do we know it wasn't a false flag by a double agent masquerading as Trump in a triple-whammy?
Isn't there a difference between spying and interfering?
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:40
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And I suppose the CIA don't do anything to influence elections in other countries

One of the first things Trump will be briefed about are covert CIA operations around the world.

And it's not as if Putin held a gun to US voters to vote the the way they did
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:46
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And I suppose the CIA don't do anything to influence elections in other countries

One of the first things Trump will be briefed about are covert CIA operations around the world.

And it's not as if Putin held a gun to US voters to vote the the way they did
It doesn't have to be a gun. It can be as simple as hacking into the Republican Committee and sitting on the dirt, while releasing the Democratic stuff.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:57
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Isn't there a difference between spying and interfering?
Only in degrees of assertiveness.

AFAICT this is mainly about stuff from a hacked server getting published. Any particularly interesting server will get more unwelcome attention and scrutiny than most, and known users are likely to get targeted for spearing but there's also the chance it wasn't fully secured and got done by a script and the implications weren't known straight away.

Then whoever got the info flogged it to the Russians because they were most likely to buy without sending in a SWAT team instead, used the interesting stuff for themselves and punted the rest out to the world because stirring things up is what spy agencies do, as per 'degrees of assertiveness' remark above - though noting your own remark above, some was going to be more stir-worthy than the rest.


TLDR I don't see this as having been anything particularly special, it looks an awful lot like 'business as usual'.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:04
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The C.I.A.have been doing this sort of thing for years in South America, bit late for em to be crying foul now the boot is on the other foot.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:07
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Only in degrees of assertiveness.

AFAICT this is mainly about stuff from a hacked server getting published. Any particularly interesting server will get more unwelcome attention and scrutiny than most, and known users are likely to get targeted for spearing but there's also the chance it wasn't fully secured and got done by a script and the implications weren't known straight away.

Then whoever got the info flogged it to the Russians because they were most likely to buy without sending in a SWAT team instead, used the interesting stuff for themselves and punted the rest out to the world because stirring things up is what spy agencies do, as per 'degrees of assertiveness' remark above - though noting your own remark above, some was going to be more stir-worthy than the rest.


TLDR I don't see this as having been anything particularly special, it looks an awful lot like 'business as usual'.
The Washington Post said this:

In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia’s role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.

Sounds more like they were instigators.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:16
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The allegations:

On Wednesday, Congressmen Elijah Cummings (D-MD) and Eric Swalwell (D-CA) introduced a bill to create an independent commission to investigate Russian government involvement in the digital attacks that shook the presidential election this year. It’s an extensive list. Security experts have linked Russian actors to hacker breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the emails accounts of Hillary Clinton aide John Podesta and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, the voter rolls of Arizona, Illinois, and Florida, and a deluge of fake news. The 12-member commission, to be chosen by both Republicans and Democrats, would present their findings and recommendations for preventing future attacks in 18 months.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:21
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THE CIA couldn't find their own arses with both hands, a torch and set of GPS co-ordinates.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:23
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THE CIA couldn't find their own arses with both hands, a torch and set of GPS co-ordinates.
If only people had made those kind of comments about the ones setting Hillary up.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:25
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The Washington Post said this:
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Sounds more like they were instigators.
I read that one, and whilst it does look like a case was presented, there's a lot of 'circumstantial bigging-up' going on (e.g. 'in a room used for', the booking sheet is on the noticeboard in the hall), and it's always worth being wary of that sort of thing, and evidence is not proof.

Similarly, we don't know if 'connected to' means 'employed by' or 'has previously bought stuff from', and then we get to the bit where we don;t know if 'instigated by' is the actuality or someone somewhere claimed credit for the idea afterwards.

Basically what we are seeing is at least fourth-hand, even if it does appear to be a direct quote.
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:26
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When conspiracy theories come from a government or the establishment a lot of people tend to believe them.
I'm surprised that so many have forgotten the lessons learned after the war In Iraq just over a decade ago. Or maybe they didn't even learn them in the first place.
Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minute warning, a 12 year olds homework used as evidence, people who had something to gain by offering evidence which was mere hearsay.

And now we've got all this crap from the Democrats about 'fake' news. Which is quite ironic when most mainstream news is based around rumour, 'expert' punditry based on what they think, or reporting on what somebody has said on Twitter as news.
But we're expected to blindly accept it on face value as truth without scrutiny or question.
Look at the title of this thread 'Confirmed'. No evidence required, but its confirmed.
It reminds me of that old episode of Brass Eye, "Now that is scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it ... but it is scientific fact"
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Old 10-12-2016, 13:45
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If there was no corruption, there'd be no corruption to expose.
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