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“The Russians are not our friends,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters Monday, voicing his support for an inquiry."
"To that end, the Russian government directed the hacking of emails to and from Democratic Party organizations and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta, and then selectively disseminated this material through WikiLeaks and other outlets. The Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence reached that conclusion months ago and said so in a public statement on Oct. 7." |
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The CIA complaining about foreign governments installing right wing politicians.
And they say the universe doesn't have a sense of humour. |
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With these accusations of Russian hacking, it's worth remembering that during the cold war the US intelligence agencies vastly overestimated the number of missiles held by Russia. They have a history of over-inflating Russia's potential as an enemy.....but of course it helps the armed services and the defence industries to portray them like that.
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With these accusations of Russian hacking, it's worth remembering that during the cold war the US intelligence agencies vastly overestimated the number of missiles held by Russia. They have a history of over-inflating Russia's potential as an enemy.....but of course it helps the armed services and the defence industries to portray them like that.
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The CIA complaining about foreign governments installing right wing politicians.
And they say the universe doesn't have a sense of humour. I'm not sure how that compares to trying to oust a candidate who wants to fight global warming and have health insurance for the poor. |
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Well yeah, the US wanted to oust Assad's cruel regime.
I'm not sure how that compares to trying to oust a candidate who wants to fight global warming and have health insurance for the poor. Try reading up on the CIA acts against democratically elected leaders before trying to score cheap points. You won't look quite so silly. |
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Try reading up on the CIA acts against democratically elected leaders before trying to score cheap points. You won't look quite so silly.
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Sigh.
Try reading up on the CIA acts against democratically elected leaders before trying to score cheap points. You won't look quite so silly. "Senior Russian Senior military and intelligence officers admit that the KGB blew up Russian apartment buildings and falsely blamed it on Chechens, in order to justify an invasion of Chechnya." |
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Good luck with that. Even my obnoxiously sarcastic attempt at a patronising over-explanation failed to get anything other than a 'whoosh'...
This is only about whether or not the Russians did it, not about who behaved badly in the past. Edit: I pointed out that the Republicans overestimated Russia's weapons this very election. |
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This is only about whether or not the Russians did it, not about who behaved badly in the past.
The credibility formula: Politician+CIA==Politician+(KGB+FSB)==zero, zilch, nil, nought, nothing, nada, square root of naff all, total absence of anything of substance, etni, etni*... * 'et nihil' as opposed to 'et cetera', i.e. 'and nothing' instead of 'and the rest', purely to emphasise the lack of anything, as opposed to being a contraction of 'et ni' which of course would be a Python reference and therefore far more worthy than any attempt to re-ignite the cold war, even if that is a somewhat counterintuitive and self-contradictory turn of phrase... |
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The credibility of the accusation is entirely dependent on the credibility of the accuser, and it seems only reasonable in light of this credibility that a reasonable standard of evidence is requested, and as far as I am aware, none has been presented except to politicians who either can't be trusted to keep secrets or were asked to publicise the accusation without providing any evidence of the existence of the evidence upon which the accusation was based.
The credibility formula: Politician+CIA=Politician+(KGB+FSB)=zero, zilch, nil, nought, nothing, nada, square root of naff all, total absence of anything of substance, etni, etni*... * 'et nihil' as opposed to 'et cetera', purely to emphasise the lack of anything, as opposed to being a contraction of 'et ni' which of course would be a Python reference and therefore far more worthy than any attempt to re-ignite the cold war, even if that is a somewhat counterintuitive and self-contradictory turn of phrase... I'm not sure what you expect, that the CIA is going to compromise its methods and staff by publishing in the news, what they have and naming names. So that any agents close to those names would be outed? That's pretty naive. Why Obama wants the investigation to be secret. Just because you don't know what Senators and Congressman know, doesn't =no evidence. P.S. I don't see where anyone wants to re-ignite the Cold War. |
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From TheHill.com:
"Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) on Monday said that Russia’s hacking of the United States presidential election “is not open to debate.” “This is not a fact that is in dispute by any of our 17 intelligence agencies, and I’ve been in the room, as have my colleagues,” Himes told CNN’s “New Day.” So maybe if he was in the room, you think he has more information than the public? Not to mention that kompromat is a well known Russian strategy. People only have to think there are very damaging emails against Hillary. The emails don't have to exist. What Assange did with his announcements. Must have learned kompromat well. |
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So maybe if he was in the room, you think he has more information than the public?
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Not to mention that kompromat is a well known Russian strategy. People only have to think there are very damaging emails against Hillary. The emails don't have to exist. What Assange did with his announcements. Must have learned kompromat well.
And this exact same principle can be applied to the allegations of the Russian hacking, that is the whole flipping point!Look at me, I know a Russian word, I must have the truth on my side! What about the accusations that Putin's continued success is due in no small part to the work of US agencies? |
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This is from the Guardian:
"The head of the British intelligence agency MI6, Alex Younger, has said cyber-attacks, propaganda and subversion from hostile states pose a “fundamental threat” to European democracies, including the UK. In a rare speech by an MI6 chief while in office, Younger did not specifically name Russia but left no doubt that this was the target of his remarks. Russia has been accused of interfering in the US presidential election and there are concerns it could do the same in French and German elections next year." So that means MI6 has no evidence either? That makes 18 misinformed intelligence agencies! |
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This is from the Guardian:
"The head of the British intelligence agency MI6, Alex Younger, has said cyber-attacks, propaganda and subversion from hostile states pose a “fundamental threat” to European democracies, including the UK. The question here is whether Russian agencies conspired to actually mess about with the US elections as opposed to the normal run of the mill hacking for fun and profit. |
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I think he knows what he's been shown, and I'm impressed not just that they have 17(!) intelligence agencies, but that they were all represented in that room and signalled unequivocal agreement with one another.
And this exact same principle can be applied to the allegations of the Russian hacking, that is the whole flipping point! Look at me, I know a Russian word, I must have the truth on my side! What about the accusations that Putin's continued success is due in no small part to the work of US agencies? Do you think 'what he's been shown' could have been evidence? |
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Do you think MI6 is wrong then as well?
The remark from MI6 is linked to the US elections accusations BY THE REPORTER not by MI6. |
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Of course they pose a threat! How is that not blindingly obvious?
The question here is whether Russian agencies conspired to actually mess about with the US elections as opposed to the normal run of the mill hacking for fun and profit. That's what we call circumstantial evidence in the U.S. Put the puzzle pieces together. You don't always need the smoking gun. |
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WTF are you on about? This is to do with US politicians relating third-hand information to the press which all reads like an attempt to re-run the cold war.
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... This is a protective stance not an aggressor stance. ...
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It's political grandstanding and a whole crapload of opportunism, i.e. a re-run of the cold war.
Yes chilled relations could be the outcome. Doesn't mean that was the motive for releasing the intelligence. Obama as I said, has not been about that. It's not grandstanding to tell another country to get out of our election process. |
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What is your argument? That two wrongs make a right?
"Senior Russian Senior military and intelligence officers admit that the KGB blew up Russian apartment buildings and falsely blamed it on Chechens, in order to justify an invasion of Chechnya." The Hubble telescope will be needd at this rate. |
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Well yeah, the US wanted to oust Assad's cruel regime.
I'm not sure how that compares to trying to oust a candidate who wants to fight global warming and have health insurance for the poor. If his regime was so cruel, why has it not been reported in out media that his "regime" have recaptured Allepo from the so called "moderate rebels" who by the way are actually terrorists that Obama is now funding! |
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Have you any evidence that Assad is responsible for a "cruel regime" other than what the mainstream is telling you?
If his regime was so cruel, why has it not been reported in out media that his "regime" have recaptured Allepo from the so called "moderate rebels" who by the way are actually terrorists that Obama is now funding! |
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As if the point didn't go far enough over your head the first time, you start digging an even deeper hole.
The Hubble telescope will be needd at this rate. There will be consequences of some sort and more vigilance in future. I'm not understanding all this apologizing for Russia, tbh. Do you not trust MI6 either? Trust Putin over your own government? I know I'd rather live under Obama than Putin, any day. I never denied that if the CIA was caught out, they were wrong. Politics is dirty business. I never painted any side as lily white. Just said fact checking shows Hillary lied less than the other candidates. And that multi millions went into the business of discrediting her. |
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