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Old 10-12-2016, 23:32
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He's not protesting about Corbyn not being radical - he's protesting about Corbyn sticking to his pro-Russia and anti-western action line. Corbyn just reverted to his usual line comparing western action to what Russia is doing, refusing to condemn carpet and chemical bombing, and pathetically suggesting that the answer was a peacefui solution.

The Commons and the Labour party outside its Corbynite front bench are keen on action - starting with aid airdrops . But the reality is that the RAF alone lacks the ability to operate in a Russian, or even Syrian, SAM engagement zone - and Obama isn't willing to act, even with the means.
Frankly I don't believe anything our Government tells us about Syria.

They supported Islamo-Fascists to try and take down a secular regime (as they did in Libya). They tried pinning chemical weapons attacks on Assad when it was proven the terrorists we are supporting used them. They tell us 'the White Helmets' are non partisan medical staff worthy of a Nobel Award when they are a Western funded Islamic propaganda front. We deliberately bombed Syrian troops, killing dozens and allowing our Islamo-Fascist ground force to break through their defences and didn't even acknowledge it for months.

Why are you willing to support Islamo-Fascists over Syria and Russia?
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Old 10-12-2016, 23:42
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Corbyn looked like right p***k there. Are you sure Shami isn't the actual leader? She seems to have risen rapidly through the ranks of a party she just joined less than a year ago.
A rise in rank, but a fall from grace.
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Old 10-12-2016, 23:44
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Peter Tatchell protesting against Corbyn over the Labour leaders failure to speak out over Russia's involvement in Syria makes Jeremy look totally out of his depth. http://news.sky.com/story/peter-tatc...peech-10690187
As much as I laugh at Jezza, what is he, the leader of the opposition physically meant to do exactly?
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Old 11-12-2016, 00:07
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As much as I laugh at Jezza, what is he, the leader of the opposition physically meant to do exactly?
Well yes, precisely.

He was making a speech and gets suddenly personally heckled and interrupted, without warning, by Peter Tatchell. Then has a few seconds to think how to respond to that. I'd like to see some of the sneerers on here in the same situation. Wonder how they'd do?
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Old 11-12-2016, 03:05
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Frankly I don't believe anything our Government tells us about Syria.
Clearly, you believe everything Russia Today tells you about Syria.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:27
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Well yes, precisely.

He was making a speech and gets suddenly personally heckled and interrupted, without warning, by Peter Tatchell. Then has a few seconds to think how to respond to that. I'd like to see some of the sneerers on here in the same situation. Wonder how they'd do?
In fairness, they aren't the leader of Her Majesty's loyal opposition. In his position, you would think he might be able to handle something like this, after all, he spends enough time protesting himself.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:54
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Well yes, precisely.

He was making a speech and gets suddenly personally heckled and interrupted, without warning, by Peter Tatchell. Then has a few seconds to think how to respond to that. I'd like to see some of the sneerers on here in the same situation. Wonder how they'd do?
Most people wouldn't respond well. That's why most people wouldn't - or shouldn't - be in such a job.

Being quick witted and able (and willing) to respond appropriately to questioning and heckling at a second's notice is an essential qualification for any senior politician these days.
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Old 11-12-2016, 07:28
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And the unelected Theresa May is?

Her PM highlights so far:

"Brexit is Brexit", "have our cake & eat it", "red, white & blue Brexit" and according to The Sun "God will guide my Brexit decisions".
We have never had the opportunity to elect a PM.
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Old 11-12-2016, 07:37
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Well yes, precisely.

He was making a speech and gets suddenly personally heckled and interrupted, without warning, by Peter Tatchell. Then has a few seconds to think how to respond to that. I'd like to see some of the sneerers on here in the same situation. Wonder how they'd do?
He could have said something like 'of course I condemn what Russia and Syria are doing if and when they do anything which is harming civilians due to lack of care during their campaign against Assad's enemies'.
That or similar would have taken the wind out of Tatchell's sails (and while I'm not particularly keen on him you can't deny he puts his money where his mouth is) and confounded what is becoming obvious that Corbyn will condemn the west at every opportunity while giving anyone he supports a free pass.
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Old 11-12-2016, 07:47
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I don't agree and he didn't condemn the Russians
Not personally perhaps, but Seumas Milne speaking on behalf of the Labour party said:

The focus on Russian atrocities or Syrian army atrocities – which is absolutely correct – sometimes diverts attention from other atrocities that are taking place.

Independent assessments are that there have been very large-scale civilian casualties as a result of the US-led coalition bombing. There are several cases of large numbers of civilian deaths in single attacks, and there hasn't been so much attention on those atrocities or those casualties.

Both the United States and British governments have been reluctant to accept any independent assessments of what has taken place as a result of those campaigns.
How much stronger does Tatchell expect their condemnation of the US & Britain, sorry I mean Russia to be?
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:59
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Most people wouldn't respond well. That's why most people wouldn't - or shouldn't - be in such a job.

Being quick witted and able (and willing) to respond appropriately to questioning and heckling at a second's notice is an essential qualification for any senior politician these days.
But even for somebody in his position, it's got to be very difficult when you are put on the spot, not by a perfectly reasonable question, but by somebody who, without warning, deliberately and aggressively gets in your face and heckles you - someone well known at that.

In these days of every word uttered by politicians being uber analysed, I think he responded extremely well. I don't think very highly of the guy, but in this instance he acquitted himself very competently in exceedingly difficult circumstances, and kept his composure throughout.

As for Tatchell, he embarrassed himself.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:11
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Not personally perhaps, but Seumas Milne speaking on behalf of the Labour party said:



How much stronger does Tatchell expect their condemnation of the US & Britain, sorry I mean Russia to be?
Corbyn was confronted, Corbyn was asked a question, Corbyn dodged the answer.

Corbyn will never say anything critical about Russia. He is a coward. He will get someone else to do it.

Seamus Milne also said about Russia

For all its brutalities and failures, communism in the Soviet Union, eastern Europe and elsewhere delivered rapid industrialisation, mass education, job security and huge advances in social and gender equality. It encompassed genuine idealism and commitment... Its existence helped to drive up welfare standards in the west, boosted the anticolonial movement and provided a powerful counterweight to western global domination.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:36
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Well yes, precisely.

He was making a speech and gets suddenly personally heckled and interrupted, without warning, by Peter Tatchell. Then has a few seconds to think how to respond to that. I'd like to see some of the sneerers on here in the same situation. Wonder how they'd do?
This is what I wondered about some of the posts here. There seems to be many on this forum with a real personal hatred for Corbyn.

He was clearly waiting for security to remove the protesters. Why was no one there to stop this happening? Corbyn was interrupted, he could not shout at the protesters or ask them to get out as he respects people's right to protest (surely not a bad thing unless you want a dictatorship). He could not continue his speech. So he did the only thing he could do in the situation, tell them this was not the time and the place to discuss the issue as he was trying to make a speech.

What you YOU think he could/should have done? Be more aggressive like Trump?
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:52
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This is what I wondered about some of the posts here. There seems to be many on this forum with a real personal hatred for Corbyn.

He was clearly waiting for security to remove the protesters. Why was no one there to stop this happening? Corbyn was interrupted, he could not shout at the protesters or ask them to get out as he respects people's right to protest (surely not a bad thing unless you want a dictatorship). He could not continue his speech. So he did the only thing he could do in the situation, tell them this was not the time and the place to discuss the issue as he was trying to make a speech.

What you YOU think he could/should have done? Be more aggressive like Trump?

No he should have learned from the security debacle prior to the Conference and he should not have behaved like a coward and dodged a straight question and got someone else to answer it.

His commitment to socialism overrides everything else. He wants a socialist state here.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:53
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This is what I wondered about some of the posts here. There seems to be many on this forum with a real personal hatred for Corbyn.

He was clearly waiting for security to remove the protesters. Why was no one there to stop this happening? Corbyn was interrupted, he could not shout at the protesters or ask them to get out as he respects people's right to protest (surely not a bad thing unless you want a dictatorship). He could not continue his speech. So he did the only thing he could do in the situation, tell them this was not the time and the place to discuss the issue as he was trying to make a speech.

What you YOU think he could/should have done? Be more aggressive like Trump?
You want to know why Corbyn is hated?

Because he is turning the UK into a 1 party state & destroying a 100 year old political party through his utter lack of leadership.
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Old 11-12-2016, 11:16
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This is what I wondered about some of the posts here. There seems to be many on this forum with a real personal hatred for Corbyn.

He was clearly waiting for security to remove the protesters. Why was no one there to stop this happening? Corbyn was interrupted, he could not shout at the protesters or ask them to get out as he respects people's right to protest (surely not a bad thing unless you want a dictatorship). He could not continue his speech. So he did the only thing he could do in the situation, tell them this was not the time and the place to discuss the issue as he was trying to make a speech.

What you YOU think he could/should have done? Be more aggressive like Trump?
He would never have had Peter Tatchell on his case if he had condemned Russia'a actions explicitly rather than being so mealy-mouthed about it. That is the problem here - all Peter wants is for Corbyn to push for airdrops of food parcels etc for people who are suffering. Why won't Corbyn do that?
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Old 11-12-2016, 11:19
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Just to remind everyone, this is what Tatchell is asking Corbyn to do "We haven't heard the leader of the Labour Party speak out enough to demand UK air drops to besieged civilians who are dying in their thousands.".

Corbyn should have dealt with it. Y immediately agreeing to this. Why won't he? People are dying.
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Old 11-12-2016, 11:19
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You want to know why Corbyn is hated?

Because he is turning the UK into a 1 party state & destroying a 100 year old political party through his utter lack of leadership.
Or hyperbolic suggestions like this are...
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:18
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He would never have had Peter Tatchell on his case if he had condemned Russia'a actions explicitly rather than being so mealy-mouthed about it. That is the problem here - all Peter wants is for Corbyn to push for airdrops of food parcels etc for people who are suffering. Why won't Corbyn do that?
Perhaps Peter can charter his own plane and air drop parcels himself or maybe hire an artic and drive one there, or perhaps it will be too dangerous to do that.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:19
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Just to remind everyone, this is what Tatchell is asking Corbyn to do "We haven't heard the leader of the Labour Party speak out enough to demand UK air drops to besieged civilians who are dying in their thousands.".

Corbyn should have dealt with it. Y immediately agreeing to this. Why won't he? People are dying.
Feel free to show me any evidence that currently 'besieged civilians are dying in their thousands' in Aleppo. All I see is grateful captives being freed by Syrian/Russian forces.

I also saw that a Russian military tent hospital, set up in Aleppo to treat civilian casualties, was blown up by our friendly rebels killing several Russian medics the other day. Got absolutely no coverage in Western media.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:24
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I can't believe how many people on this forum have bought into the 'Russia is Evil' narrative, and would rather see Islamo-Fascists running Syria then a secular Government if it meant getting one up on Putin.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:25
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Funny that a habitual protester like Corbyn doesn't know how to react to another protester.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:30
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I can't believe how many people on this forum have bought into the 'Russia is Evil' narrative, and would rather see Islamo-Fascists running Syria then a secular Government if it meant getting one up on Putin.
And I can't believe how many people are gullible enough to believe what Russia Today says.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:37
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Just to remind everyone, this is what Tatchell is asking Corbyn to do "We haven't heard the leader of the Labour Party speak out enough to demand UK air drops to besieged civilians who are dying in their thousands.".

Corbyn should have dealt with it. Y immediately agreeing to this. Why won't he? People are dying.
Has May demanded air drops? Have you demanded air drops? Have the media demanded air drops? Has anyone in the public apart from Tatchell demanded air drops?

There has literally been no discussion about air drops until this story.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:45
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Has May demanded air drops? Have you demanded air drops? Have the media demanded air drops? Has anyone in the public apart from Tatchell demanded air drops?

There has literally been no discussion about air drops until this story.
Air drops were discussed some time back and rules out because of risks of clashing with Russian/Syrian air space.
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