Seems from the prolific threads tonight, everyone thinks " their" star was undermarked and everyone else over marked.
This year I have no favourites so thought overall it's fair.
This year I have no favourites so thought overall it's fair.
Is this the worst night of judging in Strictly history?
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Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Is that why people thought Danny's salsa was great then? His Tango even?
And I like Claudia's QS but not her Rhumba because what?
You think whatever comforts you.”
“Is that why people thought Danny's salsa was great then? His Tango even?
And I like Claudia's QS but not her Rhumba because what?
You think whatever comforts you.”
Well, I don't. I am a Danny supporter, but I will criticize him if I see fit. I wasn't particularly bowled over by his Salsa -- it was OK, but not great. Craig was right, the figure-of-eight hip action was missing from him, therefore he didn't deserve a 10 for it. In contrast, his AS was simply stunning and deserved 40.
You, on the other hand, seem to think anything Ore does is brilliant and will never say anything negative against him, even if he hasn't performed well.
Originally Posted by Kirsty_M:
“There is no way Ore should have came first.
The leaderboard should have been:
1)Danny and Oti
2)Claudia and An
3)Louise and Kevin
4)Ore and Joanne”
“There is no way Ore should have came first.
The leaderboard should have been:
1)Danny and Oti
2)Claudia and An
3)Louise and Kevin
4)Ore and Joanne”
Best post tonight. Your spot on Kirsty.
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“His song has been used for the third time so it can't be that unsuitable - I just didn't think he did a good job especially compared to Danny's effort much earlier in the competition.”
“His song has been used for the third time so it can't be that unsuitable - I just didn't think he did a good job especially compared to Danny's effort much earlier in the competition.”
He was better than Danny in my opinion. That AT was frantic and Danny had the wrong posture all the way through.
Originally Posted by Phil Ander:
“Some of you need to make your minds up. At various times you have accused the Judges of bias towards Louise, Danny and now Ore. Which is it?
Given that Craig gave his lowest score for Ore's quick step if the panel were biased in respect of Ore they have a funny way of showing it.
Remember folks it's all about opinions not facts.
Posters on here are of course free of all bias. Or perhaps not.”
“Some of you need to make your minds up. At various times you have accused the Judges of bias towards Louise, Danny and now Ore. Which is it?
Given that Craig gave his lowest score for Ore's quick step if the panel were biased in respect of Ore they have a funny way of showing it.
Remember folks it's all about opinions not facts.
Posters on here are of course free of all bias. Or perhaps not.”
We're not paid to be unbiased and yes they've overmarked all of the above at various times not to mention Claudia at Blackpool but tonight they wanted to save Ore most so they overmarked him IMO and Louise.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“He was better than Danny in my opinion. That AT was frantic and Danny had the wrong posture all the way through.”
“He was better than Danny in my opinion. That AT was frantic and Danny had the wrong posture all the way through.”
I meant the QS in Danny's case ironically the best AT title probably belongs to Louise this series although Claudia's is a close second.
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“Claudia's footwork, posture and speed in her QS (also maintained through all those turns) was far superior to Ore's, so if he got 38 for his slightly sloppy dance she should've had 40. Her rumba had slightly 'posey' choreography and too much inelegant looking leg raising. Every dance except Claudia's QS was overmarked I thought.
Danny's hip action looked a bit odd in his salsa, not helped by the Simon Cowell trousers. Not keen on the AS either - it looked a bit like a stage dance from a drama school end of year show instead of a ballroom dance.
Louise's dances were, as usual, nice. I always like how much content Kevin puts in his sambas but it was all too neat and safe. The tango was never going to have much atmosphere with that music and from the waist down it didn't look much like a tango.
Ore's AT was ok but weirdly hunched at times and didn't deserve any tens. I don't think anyone was clearly better all round than the others - I would've just had them all tied and let the public decide.”
“Claudia's footwork, posture and speed in her QS (also maintained through all those turns) was far superior to Ore's, so if he got 38 for his slightly sloppy dance she should've had 40. Her rumba had slightly 'posey' choreography and too much inelegant looking leg raising. Every dance except Claudia's QS was overmarked I thought.
Danny's hip action looked a bit odd in his salsa, not helped by the Simon Cowell trousers. Not keen on the AS either - it looked a bit like a stage dance from a drama school end of year show instead of a ballroom dance.
Louise's dances were, as usual, nice. I always like how much content Kevin puts in his sambas but it was all too neat and safe. The tango was never going to have much atmosphere with that music and from the waist down it didn't look much like a tango.
Ore's AT was ok but weirdly hunched at times and didn't deserve any tens. I don't think anyone was clearly better all round than the others - I would've just had them all tied and let the public decide.”
Their comments were out of line with their marks for Claudia - Craig gave no reason for a 9 while his comments were for a 10. Darcey found something no one else did to justify marking her lower than Ore.
Danny according to Len just hadn't bothered with one standard move , but somehow deserved a 10. He also fumbled a lift and that wasn't counted.
Ore's mark was just ridiculous - in most weeks he would have got an 8 for bad acting, and posing, while his partner did two thirds of the work. They commented on him coming from no training - which looks questionable . And they told us that somone who looks the same every week, was acting brilliantly.
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Well, I don't. I am a Danny supporter, but I will criticize him if I see fit. I wasn't particularly bowled over by his Salsa -- it was OK, but not great. Craig was right, the figure-of-eight hip action was missing from him, therefore he didn't deserve a 10 for it. In contrast, his AS was simply stunning and deserved 40.
You, on the other hand, seem to think anything Ore does is brilliant and will never say anything negative against him, even if he hasn't performed well.”
“Well, I don't. I am a Danny supporter, but I will criticize him if I see fit. I wasn't particularly bowled over by his Salsa -- it was OK, but not great. Craig was right, the figure-of-eight hip action was missing from him, therefore he didn't deserve a 10 for it. In contrast, his AS was simply stunning and deserved 40.
You, on the other hand, seem to think anything Ore does is brilliant and will never say anything negative against him, even if he hasn't performed well.”
Sorry, that's a lot of cock.
I've always admitted Ore is inconsistent and can get things wrong. It's one of the reasons I love him.
He's an amateur, he's exciting, I don't know if he's going to eff up from one dance to the next - even IN the dances he's sometimes both fabulous and 'off'.
He has emotional power and connection and he's a tryer who LOVES dancing. Of course he's got faults.
Danny is a decent chap but essentially, for me, like a sort of second rate pro backing dancer, fine and all that, but awfully dull.
Originally Posted by RickLopez:
“Blatant bias. Obvious overmarking.
How is Ore top of the leaderboard?”
“Blatant bias. Obvious overmarking.
How is Ore top of the leaderboard?”
Because he danced magnificently and brought personality in what is essentially an entertainment programme, that's how
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Their comments were out of line with their marks for Claudia - Craig gave no reason for a 9 while his comments were for a 10. Darcey found something no one else did to justify marking her lower than Ore.
Danny according to Len just hadn't bothered with one standard move , but somehow deserved a 10. He also fumbled a lift and that wasn't counted.
Ore's mark was just ridiculous - in most weeks he would have got an 8 for bad acting, and posing, while his partner did two thirds of the work. They commented on him coming from no training - which looks questionable . And they told us that somone who looks the same every week, was acting brilliantly.”
“Their comments were out of line with their marks for Claudia - Craig gave no reason for a 9 while his comments were for a 10. Darcey found something no one else did to justify marking her lower than Ore.
Danny according to Len just hadn't bothered with one standard move , but somehow deserved a 10. He also fumbled a lift and that wasn't counted.
Ore's mark was just ridiculous - in most weeks he would have got an 8 for bad acting, and posing, while his partner did two thirds of the work. They commented on him coming from no training - which looks questionable . And they told us that somone who looks the same every week, was acting brilliantly.”
It's the semi final, they ALL were generally kind about the performances, apart from a couple of times critisizing gently, and Craig going for Ore.
And Ore doesn't act the same every week.
Are you really saying his gentle, wistful oddity last week was the same as his sexy lad performance in that QS?
Originally Posted by postit:
“Because he danced magnificently and brought personality in what is essentially an entertainment programme, that's how”
“Because he danced magnificently and brought personality in what is essentially an entertainment programme, that's how
”
Hear hear.
Originally Posted by sradia:
“I don't think so, but then I quite often don't agree with the judging.
The music for the AT was awful, but I agree with those that think Ore didn't do very much. It's a shame because he's a fantastic dancer and capable of much more.
I love Louise but she got unlucky having a samba and it was never going to be her dance, first out too...I will be very surprised if she's not in the dance off.
I liked Claudia's rumba and thought her quickstep was the best of the series.
I'll eat my cat if Danny is not in the final.”
“I don't think so, but then I quite often don't agree with the judging.
The music for the AT was awful, but I agree with those that think Ore didn't do very much. It's a shame because he's a fantastic dancer and capable of much more.
I love Louise but she got unlucky having a samba and it was never going to be her dance, first out too...I will be very surprised if she's not in the dance off.
I liked Claudia's rumba and thought her quickstep was the best of the series.
I'll eat my cat if Danny is not in the final.”
No sympathy for Louise on the samba front she had to do it sometime and she got out of doing a salsa completely and if it wasn't her dance then it might have been better if she'd done it early on when there were enough people who were worse that could have taken the fall instead of her. It might have saved Daisy or Anatasia a DO appearance had she had it earlier. Laura fans might point as they have ab nauseum already that she had to do one on a busted ankle.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“If she's there though, that QS was bloody BETTER than either of Louise or Danny's dances.
Fingers crossed.”
“If she's there though, that QS was bloody BETTER than either of Louise or Danny's dances.
Fingers crossed.”
And Ore's quickstep.
I'm just sick and tired of Craig's determination to always lead with a negative, and bring the dancers crashing down, and confused especially after wonderful, uplifting and complimentary feedback from the other three judges. Of course it's personal preference, but Ore and Claudia simply epitomise what the show is about because they've learned to dance from scratch. I can see Danny is an exceptional dancer, but Ore has been nothing short of phenominal because of the amount of work he's had to do to get to such a high standard and so he's completely earned his Final place! imo 
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Is this the worst night of judging in Strictly history?
No.”
“Is this the worst night of judging in Strictly history?
No.
”
I watched Strictly Dancing on iPlayer and came away on a high, expecting to find a board humming with excitement...and the first thread I saw was one of negativity.
Shame.
Ah well, I loved it tonight and no, it wasn't the worst night of judging in Strictly history. *sigh*
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Sorry, that's a lot of cock.
I've always admitted Ore is inconsistent and can get things wrong. It's one of the reasons I love him.
He's an amateur, he's exciting, I don't know if he's going to eff up from one dance to the next - even IN the dances he's sometimes both fabulous and 'off'.
He has emotional power and connection and he's a tryer who LOVES dancing. Of course he's got faults.
Danny is a decent chap but essentially, for me, like a sort of second rate pro backing dancer, fine and all that, but awfully dull.”
“Sorry, that's a lot of cock.
I've always admitted Ore is inconsistent and can get things wrong. It's one of the reasons I love him.
He's an amateur, he's exciting, I don't know if he's going to eff up from one dance to the next - even IN the dances he's sometimes both fabulous and 'off'.
He has emotional power and connection and he's a tryer who LOVES dancing. Of course he's got faults.
Danny is a decent chap but essentially, for me, like a sort of second rate pro backing dancer, fine and all that, but awfully dull.”
They are all amateurs. Ore peaked for me with his 'Singin' in the rain' AS,now that was a dance of quality and narrative and is my favourite dance of this series
Darcy really critical this evening. I know its SF week .. why start now ? pffft.
Jo Clifton was amazing in her AT. I was not watching Ore. says alot.
Oti is an all round sensation . wow !
Btw. Louise needs the boot tonight Her samba was boring. And that's the last thing I want from a latin number.
Jo Clifton was amazing in her AT. I was not watching Ore. says alot.
Oti is an all round sensation . wow !
Btw. Louise needs the boot tonight Her samba was boring. And that's the last thing I want from a latin number.
Originally Posted by Frank Mag:
“They are all amateurs. Ore peaked for me with his 'Singin' in the rain' AS,now that was a dance of quality and narrative and is my favourite dance of this series”
“They are all amateurs. Ore peaked for me with his 'Singin' in the rain' AS,now that was a dance of quality and narrative and is my favourite dance of this series”
Complete beginner then.
NOT a ringer.
Originally Posted by Nesta Robbins:
“I'm so sick and tired of Craig's determination to always lead with a negative, and bring the dancers crashing down, and confused especially after wonderful, uplifting and complimentary feedback from the other three judges. Of course it's personal preference, but Ore and Claudia simply epitomise what the show is about because they've learned to dance from scratch. I can see Danny is an exceptional dancer, but Ore has been nothing short of phenominal because of the amount of work he's had to do to get to such a high standard and so he's completely earned his Final place! imo”
“I'm so sick and tired of Craig's determination to always lead with a negative, and bring the dancers crashing down, and confused especially after wonderful, uplifting and complimentary feedback from the other three judges. Of course it's personal preference, but Ore and Claudia simply epitomise what the show is about because they've learned to dance from scratch. I can see Danny is an exceptional dancer, but Ore has been nothing short of phenominal because of the amount of work he's had to do to get to such a high standard and so he's completely earned his Final place! imo
”
I would say in Craig's defence he explains his score, no surprises, at the semi final stage they do have to nik pick, and he uses the full range of scores 1-10
I think Len doesn't use anything below 5, all the celebrities want to impress Craig as they value his hard to get 10.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Ore seriously played his part. I thought he was bloody great. Jo's the girl, she DOES the flash moves.”
“Ore seriously played his part. I thought he was bloody great. Jo's the girl, she DOES the flash moves.”
The lady's "flash moves" are supposed to be initiated by the man - to react to his actions. Ore didn't lead, it was Jo doing it herself. It stood out a mile.
Not THE worst night of judging (to my mind that is still reserved for last year's final...40 for K & K's non-Tango Tango 
).
I don't have a fave this year so don't really care who is in the final .... but I was stunned by some of the scores. I thought the AT was just awful, the Samba "nice" and I'm pretty sure a samba should never be nice.
I would have put Danny & Claudia tied at the top (loved both their second dances, but not so much the Salsa or Rhumba). Followed by, some distance, Ore then Louise.
Of course everyone sees things differently.
).I don't have a fave this year so don't really care who is in the final .... but I was stunned by some of the scores. I thought the AT was just awful, the Samba "nice" and I'm pretty sure a samba should never be nice.
I would have put Danny & Claudia tied at the top (loved both their second dances, but not so much the Salsa or Rhumba). Followed by, some distance, Ore then Louise.
Of course everyone sees things differently.
I'm not a fan of Ore, but on first watch I thought his quickstep was fabulous, but on a second view (which admittedly is not something the judges can do) there were a number of little snags so I think Craig's marking was about right. His AT was OK but nothing special.
Louise's samba was bordering on shambolic.
I've backed Danny from day one & I still think he is the best dancer Strictly has had. If he doesn't win it will be a travesty but he could be in the dance off & if he's up against one of the golden couples he'll be gone
The judges do not even try to hide the fact that they want Ore & Louise in the final. After that quickstep, I hope Claudia gets a boost from the public & leaves a Clifton v Clifton dance off - then watch them squirm,
Louise's samba was bordering on shambolic.
I've backed Danny from day one & I still think he is the best dancer Strictly has had. If he doesn't win it will be a travesty but he could be in the dance off & if he's up against one of the golden couples he'll be gone
The judges do not even try to hide the fact that they want Ore & Louise in the final. After that quickstep, I hope Claudia gets a boost from the public & leaves a Clifton v Clifton dance off - then watch them squirm,
Originally Posted by Sho Nuff:
“The lady's "flash moves" are supposed to be initiated by the man - to react to his actions. Ore didn't lead, it was Jo doing it herself. It stood out a mile.”
“The lady's "flash moves" are supposed to be initiated by the man - to react to his actions. Ore didn't lead, it was Jo doing it herself. It stood out a mile.”
NONE of the ATs are 'correct'. Even Vincent and Rachel's which was the best in Strictly was a show AT.
As was Danny's and Louises and Claudia's. And they had faults too.
Ore had power and precision and intensity.
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“Not THE worst night of judging (to my mind that is still reserved for last year's final...40 for K & K's non-Tango Tango).
I don't have a fave this year so don't really care who is in the final .... but I was stunned by some of the scores. I thought the AT was just awful, the Samba "nice" and I'm pretty sure a samba should never be nice.
I would have put Danny & Claudia tied at the top (loved both their second dances, but not so much the Salsa or Rhumba). Followed by, some distance, Ore then Louise.
Of course everyone sees things differently.”
“Not THE worst night of judging (to my mind that is still reserved for last year's final...40 for K & K's non-Tango Tango
).I don't have a fave this year so don't really care who is in the final .... but I was stunned by some of the scores. I thought the AT was just awful, the Samba "nice" and I'm pretty sure a samba should never be nice.
I would have put Danny & Claudia tied at the top (loved both their second dances, but not so much the Salsa or Rhumba). Followed by, some distance, Ore then Louise.
Of course everyone sees things differently.”
Agree!
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