I love how people who plainly have no idea what they are talking about criticise the judges' marking!
Ore's Argentine Tango
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Originally Posted by sarasarasara:
“Just think what will happen if Ore makes the final now
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“Just think what will happen if Ore makes the final now
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OMG PIxie gate mark 2???
Loved it. There was some bloody amazing footwork which was ludicrously in sync with Jo and that lift to stop was eye popping.
Second favourite dance of the night after Claudia's quickstep.
Second favourite dance of the night after Claudia's quickstep.
Originally Posted by Sho Nuff:
“As Craig pointed out a few weeks ago and has now seemingly forgotten all about it, the AT is action and reaction - the lady reacts to the man. He sets up her move. Ore did absolutely no action for Jo to respond to, it was all her doing. Ore just followed like a lost puppy, standing there as a sort of maypole for Jo. How can the judges react like it was this sizzling AT when it was plainly nothing of the sort? Even the audience reaction was a bit flat. It was a 7/8 at best.”
“As Craig pointed out a few weeks ago and has now seemingly forgotten all about it, the AT is action and reaction - the lady reacts to the man. He sets up her move. Ore did absolutely no action for Jo to respond to, it was all her doing. Ore just followed like a lost puppy, standing there as a sort of maypole for Jo. How can the judges react like it was this sizzling AT when it was plainly nothing of the sort? Even the audience reaction was a bit flat. It was a 7/8 at best.”
I agree with this 100%, with knobs on. On a dull week his dance may have been worth a lot of praise but the judges were shown some good dancing tonight by the other couples. This AT was for me the weakest dance of the night, by a long way. Ore's quickstep was fine.
I didn't like it, I guess its one of those subjective things really. For me it was just a bit 'meh', kind of kept waiting for it to start properly if that makes sense and it never did, then again I didn't like their Paso either! I think Ore is better in ballroom.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“To be honest thats pretty what men in real AT do do. The lead is from subtle movements in the torso which is more like distributing energy than any movement you can see. The viewer won't necesarily see the man lead but the follower feels it and responds. It is perfectly possible for a man to lead AT without moving off the spot.
I am not saying that is what Ore did do only that it is possible within the style for a man to lead the dance from a stand still. However in an AT round of a competition I am expecting to see the SCD competitiors perform the basic skill of Argentine Tango walks and Ore didn't, but then nor did Danny or Claudia. ( I have forgotten Lousies's)”
“To be honest thats pretty what men in real AT do do. The lead is from subtle movements in the torso which is more like distributing energy than any movement you can see. The viewer won't necesarily see the man lead but the follower feels it and responds. It is perfectly possible for a man to lead AT without moving off the spot.
I am not saying that is what Ore did do only that it is possible within the style for a man to lead the dance from a stand still. However in an AT round of a competition I am expecting to see the SCD competitiors perform the basic skill of Argentine Tango walks and Ore didn't, but then nor did Danny or Claudia. ( I have forgotten Lousies's)”
I thought Danny and Claudia's AT's were better than Ore's but your right all the Argentine Tango's have been rather lacking this season.
I think my favourites from previous years are probably either Mark and Karen or maybe Simon and Kristina?
It was better than I thought they managed to supprise me and pull it off& therefore I hope their through the choregogrophy was brilliant& Ore executed it greatly
Originally Posted by Sho Nuff:
“As Craig pointed out a few weeks ago and has now seemingly forgotten all about it, the AT is action and reaction - the lady reacts to the man. He sets up her move. Ore did absolutely no action for Jo to respond to, it was all her doing. Ore just followed like a lost puppy, standing there as a sort of maypole for Jo. How can the judges react like it was this sizzling AT when it was plainly nothing of the sort? Even the audience reaction was a bit flat. It was a 7/8 at best.”
“As Craig pointed out a few weeks ago and has now seemingly forgotten all about it, the AT is action and reaction - the lady reacts to the man. He sets up her move. Ore did absolutely no action for Jo to respond to, it was all her doing. Ore just followed like a lost puppy, standing there as a sort of maypole for Jo. How can the judges react like it was this sizzling AT when it was plainly nothing of the sort? Even the audience reaction was a bit flat. It was a 7/8 at best.”
Absolutely right. The worst AT of the series. He did very little that was recognisable AT, just stomped around flatfootedly ,while she did everything, do not get the marks for that at all very odd.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Me too, and boy was it intense. LOVED it.”
“Me too, and boy was it intense. LOVED it.”
Fair play to Ore and Joanne, it was intense, as I believe it's supposed to be, thought it was mesmerizing.
I am not sure what I preferred that opening sequence of the AT or Oti throwing herself into Danny's arms.
Dance content? Ganchos?
Somewhat conspicuous by their absence. Joanne did a sterling job of doing lots of things whilst Ore acted as her 'pole'. Doesn't constitute an AT to my way of thinking.
Somewhat conspicuous by their absence. Joanne did a sterling job of doing lots of things whilst Ore acted as her 'pole'. Doesn't constitute an AT to my way of thinking.
Just think it was all Joanne and not much of Ore. although that seems the general trend for all three Cliftons.
It's not about bashing Ore, when all he seemed to do was strut about with Joanne spinning about around him.
I thought his performance skills were very good, he really gets into character. The lifts were also very good, but I thought his posture was bad, his shoulders seemed hunched for a lot of the routine and he did lose his balance as Craig pointed out. I think it should've been scored 9s rather than 10s.
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“I thought Danny and Claudia's AT's were better than Ore's but your right all the Argentine Tango's have been rather lacking this season.
I think my favourites from previous years are probably either Mark and Karen or maybe Simon and Kristina?”
“I thought Danny and Claudia's AT's were better than Ore's but your right all the Argentine Tango's have been rather lacking this season.
I think my favourites from previous years are probably either Mark and Karen or maybe Simon and Kristina?”
I prefered either of those or Aliona and the boy band guy. But in my opinion, really there is only one SCD AT worthy of its name and that was Vincent and Rachel.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I prefered either of those or Aliona and the boy band guy. But in my opinion, really there is only one SCD AT worthy of its name and that was Vincent and Rachel.”
“I prefered either of those or Aliona and the boy band guy. But in my opinion, really there is only one SCD AT worthy of its name and that was Vincent and Rachel.”
Good call but, I would argue Natalie and Ricky's would give just edge them out of first place. No bias as Rachel is my favourite ever female contestant.
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Good call but, I would argue Natalie and Ricky's would give just edge them out of first place. No bias as Rachel is my favourite ever female contestant.”
“Good call but, I would argue Natalie and Ricky's would give just edge them out of first place. No bias as Rachel is my favourite ever female contestant.
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I'm with Ann, Vincent and Rachel did the best. Easily.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm with Ann, Vincent and Rachel did the best. Easily.”
“I'm with Ann, Vincent and Rachel did the best. Easily.”
Sorry Rhumba and Ann but, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Joanne should've choreographed a better dance for him.”
“Joanne should've choreographed a better dance for him.”
I don't think she was capable of doing that. She mangled that AT by dancing it in the ballroom style with much snarling and murderous looks, did all her own adornos and ganchos without reference to Ore and danced it like a harpy with a migraine and a bad attitude. She doesn't get it. Tsk!
Ore acted like a lonely lamp post, led not one single move and was just a convenient leaning apparatus and lifting 'person' for Madame Snarlsville.
Neither one did a single tango walk (the basis of all tango0 and neither one used the floor properly. We do not stomp in tango, we glide seamlessly and everything is led by the man with additions from the follower when she feels like it.
It was hilarious and awful. Poor Ore
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I prefered either of those or Aliona and the boy band guy. But in my opinion, really there is only one SCD AT worthy of its name and that was Vincent and Rachel.”
“I prefered either of those or Aliona and the boy band guy. But in my opinion, really there is only one SCD AT worthy of its name and that was Vincent and Rachel.”
Seconded by a diehard AT dancer! Moi!
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Dance content? Ganchos?
Somewhat conspicuous by their absence. Joanne did a sterling job of doing lots of things whilst Ore acted as her 'pole'. Doesn't constitute an AT to my way of thinking.”
“Dance content? Ganchos?
Somewhat conspicuous by their absence. Joanne did a sterling job of doing lots of things whilst Ore acted as her 'pole'. Doesn't constitute an AT to my way of thinking.”
And you'd be right!
She did not allow him to lead at any point, just lift her when required. Dire.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I don't think she was capable of doing that. She mangled that AT by dancing it in the ballroom style with much snarling and murderous looks, did all her own adornos and ganchos without reference to Ore and danced it like a harpy with a migraine and a bad attitude. She doesn't get it. Tsk!
Ore acted like a lonely lamp post, led not one single move and was just a convenient leaning apparatus and lifting 'person' for Madame Snarlsville.
Neither one did a single tango walk (the basis of all tango0 and neither one used the floor properly. We do not stomp in tango, we glide seamlessly and everything is led by the man with additions from the follower when she feels like it.
It was hilarious and awful. Poor Ore”
“I don't think she was capable of doing that. She mangled that AT by dancing it in the ballroom style with much snarling and murderous looks, did all her own adornos and ganchos without reference to Ore and danced it like a harpy with a migraine and a bad attitude. She doesn't get it. Tsk!
Ore acted like a lonely lamp post, led not one single move and was just a convenient leaning apparatus and lifting 'person' for Madame Snarlsville.
Neither one did a single tango walk (the basis of all tango0 and neither one used the floor properly. We do not stomp in tango, we glide seamlessly and everything is led by the man with additions from the follower when she feels like it.
It was hilarious and awful. Poor Ore
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So Danny's was better then?
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Seconded by a diehard AT dancer! Moi!
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“Seconded by a diehard AT dancer! Moi!
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Amazed, you've never praised it except faintly, as far as I can remember.
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