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Ore's Argentine Tango
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curvybabes
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Have another look, just do. He really does dance and it's very good.”

I've watched twice he really just stands still a lot
madetomeasure
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by curvybabes:
“I've watched twice he really just stands still a lot”


She's sticking her bum out and the gap between them is too wide. He looks like he is dancing a different dance and there are a couple of slips. Unpolished so not worthy of 10s. A very messy routine that looks like its been thrown together at the last minute, just my opinion
poshnosh
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“She's sticking her bum out and the gap between them is too wide. He looks like he is dancing a different dance and there are a couple of slips. Unpolished so not worthy of 10s. A very messy routine that looks like its been thrown together at the last minute, just my opinion”

My feeling was that they put the majority of training into the QS so Jo gave Ore a simpler AT to learn and compensated by giving herself the flamboyant part of the routine
sofakat
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Sofa if you are still about have a look at the VT of tonight would you please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=239Q-jV9Yn8

It's the bit at 1.30 that interests me. I thought in the live show that they aborted a volcada that wasn't going to work. So I have been looking at in slow motion and can't make up my mind. Do you think they changed plans mid move so to speak.”

Doesn't look like a volcada to me. Besides he'd never be able to lead one on his first attempt at AT.

I think the plan was for her to actually lean against him along the side of his body and balance off axis, but coming out of that lift was so damn awkward (ouch!) it threw him off. He'd have to support her differently for that to work and he just wasn't there. His right leg moved and she lurched! Plus he'd have to lead it from scratch and prepare for it, rather than go straight into it.

Not that they'd even know that
madetomeasure
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“My feeling was that they put the majority of training into the QS so Jo gave Ore a simpler AT to learn and compensated by giving herself the flamboyant part of the routine”

Yes, in other words, a cop out routine and one that was highly rewarded!
sofakat
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“My feeling was that they put the majority of training into the QS so Jo gave Ore a simpler AT to learn and compensated by giving herself the flamboyant part of the routine”

I may be wrong, but I don't think Joanne choreographed that AT herself. It's clear from the way she danced it that she is not familiar with the AT at all.

No idea how you find out but I'm sure someone else can?
sofakat
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by madetomeasure:
“Yes, in other words, a cop out routine and one that was highly rewarded!”

I wouldn't call that a cop out routine. It was quite difficult. It did however lack basic technique and timing.

It also missed the mood of AT, which is a pity.
An Thropologist
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Doesn't look like a volcada to me. Besides he'd never be able to lead one on his first attempt at AT.

I think the plan was for her to actually lean against him along the side of his body and balance off axis, but coming out of that lift was so damn awkward (ouch!) it threw him off. He'd have to support her differently for that to work and he just wasn't there. His right leg moved and she lurched! Plus he'd have to lead it from scratch and prepare for it, rather than go straight into it.

Not that they'd even know that ”

Yes that makes some sense. I wondered if the idea was to lean against him and then let her free leg fall loosely side and forward in a sort of volcada arch. But he wasn't there giving the support so she couldn't release her body weight.
FiercelyHip
11-12-2016
Jonathan Platero choreographed that routine just fyi.
madetomeasure
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I wouldn't call that a cop out routine. It was quite difficult. It did however lack basic technique and timing.

It also missed the mood of AT, which is a pity.”

Yes, a fair post Sofa
slappers r us
11-12-2016
In future male celebs should do the same as Ore

stand still, pose a few times and let the pro dance around and on you

get great marks
bendymixer
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I may be wrong, but I don't think Joanne choreographed that AT herself. It's clear from the way she danced it that she is not familiar with the AT at all.

No idea how you find out but I'm sure someone else can?”


All the AT's, Charlestons and Salsa's are done with outside choreographers
curvybabes
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“In future male celebs should do the same as Ore

stand still, pose a few times and let the pro dance around and on you

get great marks”

Only if they are doing the tour
thenetworkbabe
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“In future male celebs should do the same as Ore

stand still, pose a few times and let the pro dance around and on you

get great marks”

A slight overstatement . he did move around the floor for 10 seconds after holding her for 15 and then letting her gyrate around him. He then seems to move in 2 seconds bursts interspersed with big chunks of watching her, standing next to her, standing open legged and catching her. i think he reached the grand total of 16 seconds moving in the first minute 16 before I gave up - in case inability to move was infectious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=239Q-jV9Yn8

Claudia moved further in her first 10 seconds.

And as for brillaint acting I have no idea what he was acting.
Olivia_P
11-12-2016
One word, four syllables: abomination. And that stumble!... Watched Ore's AT on YouTube, so don't know the marks, but compared to Claudia's dances, even Rumba, it should not carry him to the final. Mind it, you are hearing it from the person who used to insist that Claudia did not look good on the dance floor. Today she wiped that dance floor with Ore.
snafu65
11-12-2016
Before he even danced the AT I said to my partner it will get a 9 from Craig and three 10's from the rest, I could see it coming. He's been consistently overmarked by Darcy, Len and Bruno for weeks, his AT wasn't that good.
Tommo781
11-12-2016
I noticed from the very start that he was not moving much. So I concentrated on looking at his legs and feet. He was practically static a lot of the time. Very poor. It seemed more to me like it was showcasing Joanne Clifton, dancing with a mannequin.
Bedlam_maid
11-12-2016
I've heard the AT described as a dance between the driver and the driven, and I think this was very much the case here. I've watched it again and there is no way Ore is just a spectator in this dance. He strongly enables Joanne to complete her moves and engages in the dance fully in a male role.
Tommo781
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“I've heard the AT described as a dance between the driver and the driven, and I think this was very much the case here. I've watched it again and there is no way Ore is just a spectator in this dance. He strongly enables Joanne to complete her moves and engages in the dance fully in a male role.”

I have been fortunate enough to see the real AT in Argentina. I have seen both professional shows, and the street dancers, who perform outside cafes in La Boca for pesos.

In every case the male dancer moved a great deal, and didn't just wiggle his hips a bit. Absolutely no way did Ore execute the male moves in the AT as they should be.
holly berry
11-12-2016
I loved it. It felt like a real AT not a Strictly one - quite a risky strategy at this stage of the competition.
Sweetiecat
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by FiercelyHip:
“Jonathan Platero choreographed that routine just fyi.”

I have not been impressed by any of the routine's he's choreographed personally.

Didn't he also choreograph Ore's salsa?
Monaogg
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sweetiecat:
“I have not been impressed by any of the routine's he's choreographed personally.

Didn't he also choreograph Ore's salsa?”

Think he may have also been responsible for Danny & Oti's Salsa & their AT. The latter with more input from Oti as there was the time.
claire2281
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tommo781:
“In every case the male dancer moved a great deal, and didn't just wiggle his hips a bit. Absolutely no way did Ore execute the male moves in the AT as they should be.”

Perhaps you should try watching Ore's feet, not his hips.

Originally Posted by Sweetiecat:
“I have not been impressed by any of the routine's he's choreographed personally.

Didn't he also choreograph Ore's salsa?”

He's choreographed all the non-ten dance routines and the vast majority have been rubbish (the salsas particularly have been dreadful). He doesn't understand how to choreograph for Strictly at all. The pro dancers are far better than him and I hope they get someone else for next series.
Monaogg
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Perhaps you should try watching Ore's feet, not his hips.



He's choreographed all the non-ten dance routines and the vast majority have been rubbish (the salsas particularly have been dreadful). He doesn't understand how to choreograph for Strictly at all. The pro dancers are far better than him and I hope they get someone else for next series.”

Thought someone else did Louise & Kevin's AT and there is another choreographer lady does the Charleston and some Salsa.
Tommo781
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Perhaps you should try watching Ore's feet, not his hips.
”

If you read my original post on the subject, you will see I said:-

" I noticed from the very start that he was not moving much. So I concentrated on looking at his legs and feet. He was practically static a lot of the time. Very poor. It seemed more to me like it was showcasing Joanne Clifton, dancing with a mannequin."

So yes, I very much watched his feet - and I was totally unimpressed by the lack of footwork.
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