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Are any of them? Not according to the experts on this board anyway. So I refuse to beat Ore with that stick.
And the dance was great, whatever it was. |
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What happened to David James, the AT teacher who used to give a second by second critique of every AT danced on Strictly? We don't get that any more. I think he must have stopped posting here.
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Are any of them? Not according to the experts on this board anyway. So I refuse to beat Ore with that stick.
And the dance was great, whatever it was. |
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Maybe people would be kinder if they'd been introduced "Dancing the whatever it is, Ore Oduba and Joanne Clifton"?
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Joanne was doing a lot of the leg stuff, but the leg stuff Ore did do, he executed perfectly and with great subtlety, and his characterisation, posture and timing was faultless. I think he's amazing.
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NONE of the Strictly ATs this year have been 'propah' apparantly.
But I've not seen such nastiness against another celeb this year about their AT. Which they did not choreograph, and neither did their pro. This seems to be, in great part, a chance to stick the boot in to someone who is not the 'favourite'. And on occasion using 'specialist' knowledge to do it, when they refrain or gloss over, for other celebs. I'm not particularly impressed. Some exceptions granted, but this seems massively lacking in fairness and objectivity. But what'[s new about AT crit, I suppose. |
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NONE of the Strictly ATs this year have been 'propah' apparantly.
But I've not seen such nastiness against another celeb this year about their AT. Which they did not choreograph, and neither did their pro. This seems to be, in great part, a chance to stick the boot in to someone who is not the 'favourite'. And on occasion using 'specialist' knowledge to do it, when they refrain or gloss over, for other celebs. I'm not particularly impressed. Some exceptions granted, but this seems massively lacking in fairness and objectivity. But what'[s new about AT crit, I suppose. A bit of advice. And breathe............................... |
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Whoa! Rein it in. No-one is having a go at any particular celeb, or being nasty. They are criticising the dancing, not the person. There is a huge difference you know!
A bit of advice. And breathe............................... Nice to get it off my chest
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I blame Jonathan Platero - Needs barring from SCD as he is blummin useless.
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I blame Jonathan Platero - Needs barring from SCD as he is blummin useless.
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NONE of the Strictly ATs this year have been 'propah' apparantly.
But I've not seen such nastiness against another celeb this year about their AT. Which they did not choreograph, and neither did their pro. This seems to be, in great part, a chance to stick the boot in to someone who is not the 'favourite'. And on occasion using 'specialist' knowledge to do it, when they refrain or gloss over, for other celebs. I'm not particularly impressed. Some exceptions granted, but this seems massively lacking in fairness and objectivity. But what'[s new about AT crit, I suppose. The show has never dealt with this issue - do we mark the choregraphy or the performance of it? Do we penalise lack of content, and reward added difficulty. They are hopelessly inconsistent on this. But it should have been dealt with - by a specification that says the dancer will not spend 80% of the first minute standing still, and will do these steps. And you fundamentally don't know if the choregraphy is simple- because its hiding what the contestant can't do - or because the choreographer is useless, or having a brain funk. The fair answer would be to get a series of dances, of equal difficulty, and allocate them randomly . Until that happens, the judges need to comment on what they are given , and not claim that something poorly acted and static, was full of good acting and movement. |
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He seems to be described as a Salsa World Championship finalist? According to Wiki, he was a gymnast who took up dancing aged 16 and 2 years later was in the World Salsa finals (Cabaret division?)
![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n84DufYUWb0 If that is a salsa then I am ruddy Suzanna Montero |
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Its much easier to demonstrate than explain. But you may be able to demonstrate what I mean to yourself.
If you stand up in front of a mirror and stand with your feet about a foot apart facing the mirror. Now move your weight from your right left to your left leg. So in effect step from foot to foot. Chances are your hips won't rock because your leg is likely to be straight or locked. Now do it again but step from just the ball of your right foot to the ball of your left. Now as the ball of your left leg touches the floor soften (relax and allow to bend) your left knee and allow your hip (also relaxed) to sink down. As you do that, allow the heel to touch the floor. As soon as it does switch your weight to the right foot, ball first, soften the knee and let your weight sink into it. Then back to the left and so on. After a bit of practice (and getting more relaxed) you will see that the effect of that cause the hips to go down as you sink into the standing leg and the other hip appears to rise. This creates a rocking. Once you have that sorted start to push the ball of your foot into the floor quite firmly, as if there is a bug you want to squash. Use that force to push yourself out of the floor again. This will accentuate the rocking and make your step look very grounded. If you practice you can be a salsa dancer by tea time. It really is that easy. It just takes a little practice.
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Ok, I see what you mean... I think.
To a non-dancer, I have little idea of the correct technical terminology for actual moves or steps in dance but when Craig used the term "figure of eight", I grasped his meaning right away because to me that's more or less how it looks. A lot of these movements are performed too quickly and smoothly for me to actually see the technique itself but I certainly took some meaning from his use of the term "figure of eight", and understood it to be about the hip movement which is why I was a bit taken aback by the suggestion that it related to the count of the dance. Thanks for explaining that for me. It means little as I have never tried to learn to dance but I appreciate it. ![]() |
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glad that got repeated/ clarified tonight, he clearly was talking about hip rotation and said so. amazing what contortions people will conjure to try to discredit a view they don't agree with: salsa counted in 7s, whatever next!
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This show has done a great deal to spread fallacies and misunderstanding from the GBP abouit this dance.... ..
![]() By way of managing expectations for those who have not seen (real) Argentine Tango the first two YouTube links below are of top professionals https://youtu.be/MrRps8_81zI https://youtu.be/2A03_VhrbIE The third and fourth YouTubes below are scenes from typical social dances with people dancing with due respect for the space available. https://youtu.be/JSlPouLnm4M https://youtu.be/jiywlhCExBI Strictly Argentine Tango is all good fun; but it has little similarity with the real thing as shown above. Enjoy it as a freestyle show dance; but criticism on a technical level as AT is pointless. Oh note that there were no ganchos or lifts or unconnected bits (soltadas) in the videos above.
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You raise a relevant issue if the choreograpy is bought in . you can't do what you were not given to do. The simple question, with the same marks, is easier than the more difficult one.
The show has never dealt with this issue - do we mark the choregraphy or the performance of it? Do we penalise lack of content, and reward added difficulty. They are hopelessly inconsistent on this. But it should have been dealt with - by a specification that says the dancer will not spend 80% of the first minute standing still, and will do these steps. And you fundamentally don't know if the choregraphy is simple- because its hiding what the contestant can't do - or because the choreographer is useless, or having a brain funk. The fair answer would be to get a series of dances, of equal difficulty, and allocate them randomly . Until that happens, the judges need to comment on what they are given , and not claim that something poorly acted and static, was full of good acting and movement. |
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This is Ore Oduba and Joanne Clifton dancing Argentine Tango. Great fun and a wonderful spectacle.
https://youtu.be/vcKMNGcSpo8?t=1m24s A bit of a different dance though from the dancing in the links above. |
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It really is that easy. It just takes a little practice.