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Bit of a weird one- Craig Revel Horwood
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tenofspades
10-12-2016
http://news.tvguide.co.uk/strictlys-...comments-rape/

Quote:
“Craig Revel Horwood has apologised for admitting he “liked” the rape scenes in Game of Thrones.

The Strictly Come Dancing judge was speaking on the panel show 8 Out of 10 Cats when he made the controversial comments. Responding to a question on whether he liked Game of Thrones, Revel Horwood said: “No, I persevered for the first series until the dragon came on and that’s when I switched off.

“I liked all the sex scenes and the rape and I liked the cleavers through the skulls and I liked all of that, but I got very bored in the end.”

The comments shocked fellow panellist Aisling Bea, who replied: “When they weren’t raping anyone? Am I the only one who heard that? What world are we living in? Oh, Trump’s world. Fine – keep going.”

Following calls to sack Revel Horwood for his comments, he has since apologised, telling OK magazine: “I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused by my comments.”

Meanwhile, founder of child protection charity Enough Abuse UK Marilyn Hughes told The Telegraph: “His comment would have enraged many women and men who have been raped.

“How could he say he liked that scene? I’m absolutely disgusted… You cannot have people on a family show with that mindset. I think the BBC should get rid of him.”

“When you are in such a high-profile position you cannot afford to make comments like this… You cannot have someone glibly talking about rape like this, it’s jaw-droppingly awful.””


Something does not compute on this. Game of Thrones, (I admittedly have only watched 2 episodes of this). Craig Revel Horwood states what he enjoys about the program:
'“I liked all the sex scenes and the rape and I liked the cleavers through the skulls and I liked all of that'
He is pulled up on this and has consequently apologised. But wait, it is a feature of the program- he has also states 'he liked cleavers through the skulls', why has noone pulled him on this? You can also say 'I like the killing in the program', you know it is entirely fictional.
I think the complainers could be wrong in this case.

I suppose from another angle- it is a sensitive subject, for someone to say they like the killings, - well theres no victims alive of that..! Whereas there are victims of rape.
CravenHaven
10-12-2016
So when does Jimmy Carr get arrested for the things he says he makes his filippino cleaner do?
striing
10-12-2016
It's just an example of someone trying to be funny and missing. No one really thinks he is pro rape. Someone made a silly comment about women on HIGNFY recently and Victoria Coren Mitchell (who was chairing) handled it really well.

We should pick people up for unsavoury comments but we should equally be sensible enough not to overplay it when it's clearly someone performing for the camera and getting it wrong.

There's a load of hooha about Jennifer Lawrence and a rock in Hawaii. I neither know who she is nor have seen the programme but it seems to be similar issue.
swingaleg
10-12-2016
I've never seen 'Game'.....

actually I've never seen Strictly either so I don't know this guy but I did see the episode of Cats the other night

I think it was pretty obvious in context that he was saying that he liked the sex and violence and was just trying to list aspects of sex and violence

Let's face it a lot of drama involves sex and violence, it's pretty much the mainstay of modern culture
Grafenwalder
10-12-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“There's a load of hooha about Jennifer Lawrence and a rock in Hawaii. I neither know who she is nor have seen the programme but it seems to be similar issue.”

I think thats pretty much all this tbh. In fact before i read about it i thought Game of Thrones must be a computer game!

It may have been an ill judged remark but certainly not worthy of the ensuing social media rage calling for the BBC to sack him.

By comparison a Scottish MP Michelle Thomson gave a very powerful and moving speech in the HoC about how she was raped at 14 years old. A real life experience yet that received very little attention from the media.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-raped-aged-14
annette kurten
10-12-2016
i like the violence scenes in true romance, it doesn`t mean i enjoy a good kicking.
D_Mcd4
10-12-2016
What the hell Trump has to do with GoT is anyone's guess. I'm guessing she's the type that people heard ranting on about Trump and so decided "screw you" and went out and voted for the idiot.
Shrike
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
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By comparison a Scottish MP Michelle Thomson gave a very powerful and moving speech in the HoC about how she was raped at 14 years old. A real life experience yet that received very little attention from the media.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-raped-aged-14”

Her speech was played in its entirety on R4's Today programme during the week. Very powerful and I'm sure plenty of people would've heard it.

As for Revel-Horwood - why jump down his throat about a throwaway comment? If the twitterati want to go at something then surely Game Of Thrones is the villain of the piece?
muggins14
11-12-2016
Seems to me he just put his opinion over really badly - the way many of us do so often.

I hate how everybody starts calling for a person's job over everything these days. Sometimes it may be a valid response, but often it's not.
muggins14
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Her speech was played in its entirety on R4's Today programme during the week. Very powerful and I'm sure plenty of people would've heard it.

As for Revel-Horwood - why jump down his throat about a throwaway comment? If the twitterati want to go at something then surely Game Of Thrones is the villain of the piece?”

Indeed. If rape is considered a form of entertainment and millions of people watch it, then they should all be sacked According to Google, that amounts to a lot of millions!
planets
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Seems to me he just put his opinion over really badly - the way many of us do so often.

I hate how everybody starts calling for a person's job over everything these days. Sometimes it may be a valid response, but often it's not.”

It's weird isn't it? Lie to the country about WMDs, take it into an illegal war, get jobs for your mates (who repeatedly get sacked for fraud and then get rehired 6 months later ) cause the death of hundreds of people: no problem, here have a couple of hundred thousand pounds a pop for a speech. Mention you like a tv show on a light entertainment show and everyone goes mental.
juliancarswell
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Seems to me he just put his opinion over really badly - the way many of us do so often.

I hate how everybody starts calling for a person's job over everything these days. Sometimes it may be a valid response, but often it's not.”

Its the first thing they go for.
I may be wrong but I get the impression that half the professionally butt hurt spend most of their lives trawling the net and social media looking for something to get offended about.
Perhaps it takes up so much of their time that they cant keep a job themselves and so are jealous of other people with jobs and that is why they are so desperate to see them lose theirs,
Just a theory.
An Thropologist
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“It's just an example of someone trying to be funny and missing. No one really thinks he is pro rape. Someone made a silly comment about women on HIGNFY recently and Victoria Coren Mitchell (who was chairing) handled it really well.

We should pick people up for unsavoury comments but we should equally be sensible enough not to overplay it when it's clearly someone performing for the camera and getting it wrong.

There's a load of hooha about Jennifer Lawrence and a rock in Hawaii. I neither know who she is nor have seen the programme but it seems to be similar issue.”

I think the Jennifer Lawrence one is a little different. I don't know who she is either but did see her on Graham Norton. She appeared to be saying she was using a sacred rock to scratch her bum and dislodged it so that it rolled down hill. She can be forgiven for not realising the rock had sacred significance to the local people but even after the event seems to think it was funny. I feel that was disrespectful.

It is a little like someone having a wee against a war memorial here not realising it is culturally significant to the local people. At the end of the day a war memorial is just a lump of stone or concrete and urine won't harm it. But If they then laughed it off I think people here would be pretty annoyed.
mounty
11-12-2016
Horwood tends to run his mouth off
max_garfield
11-12-2016
Watching TV, Film etc is not necessarily a reflection of real life or real thoughts.

For example I quite like murder mysteries and documentaries about true crime but I don't want to go and murder someone.
joshua321
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by max_garfield:
“Watching TV, Film etc is not necessarily a reflection of real life or real thoughts.

For example I quite like murder mysteries and documentaries about true crime but I don't want to go and murder someone.”

I remember Julie Burchill (yes, I know) writing that for some reason people found fictional murder almost comforting, because maybe we all feel 'we have a murder in us, a bit like a book', even though most people supposedly see it as. the worst crime.

It certainly seems that people like the frisson of murder mysteries with the comfort of the murder being solved, but people seem to get much more sensitive about fictional rape. After all you don't have 'Rape, She Wrote', 'Midsomer Rapes' or 'Rape on the Orient Express'!
minxymoo
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Her speech was played in its entirety on R4's Today programme during the week. Very powerful and I'm sure plenty of people would've heard it.

As for Revel-Horwood - why jump down his throat about a throwaway comment? If the twitterati want to go at something then surely Game Of Thrones is the villain of the piece?”

Not a fan of Revel -Horwood either but what a lot of self righteous piffle over nothing.move along nothing to see here.
Raquelos.
11-12-2016
Oh this kind of disproportionate twatter based outrage does annoy me.

Are these people too stupid to realise that in order for everyone to have the freedom to say what they think, we must all just suck it up a little bit when we hear something we don't like? Sure, pointing out that it was a stupid thing to say is perfectly reasonable (in fact Aisling Bea did exactly that immediately after he said it), but calling for sanctions (such as him losing his job) is disgusting and makes us all just a little bit less free.

For the most part (and the law is quite specific on the exceptions to this) no one has the right not to be offended or discomforted by what other people say. If we went down that route no one would ever be able to say anything at all.
Doctor_Wibble
11-12-2016
I think he could have just said he liked all the sex and violence and really didn't have to specifically mention rape at all - especially in the 'like' list, rather than making it an 'in spite of' item or some other mitigation.

Stupid thing to say, did he make an immediate apology to everyone or did he not do that until after the outcry?
Whedonite
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by joshua321:
“I remember Julie Burchill (yes, I know) writing that for some reason people found fictional murder almost comforting, because maybe we all feel 'we have a murder in us, a bit like a book', even though most people supposedly see it as. the worst crime.

It certainly seems that people like the frisson of murder mysteries with the comfort of the murder being solved, but people seem to get much more sensitive about fictional rape. After all you don't have 'Rape, She Wrote', 'Midsomer Rapes' or 'Rape on the Orient Express'!”

I agree. I'm not sure why people act like we treat murder and rape the same. I hear people jokingly threatening to kill people all the time. "If you eat my yogurt, I'll kill you", is something I've heard a work quite at few times. You don't hear "If you eat my yogurt, I'll rape you". Even phrases like "I could murder a pint" don't cause any raised eyebrows. When did anyone last hear "I could rape a pint"?

I assume that people watch murder mysterious, because they like to see a puzzle being solved. What is there to enjoy in a rape scene? It's just watching someone (usually a woman), being forced to have sex. There's no mystery or intrigue.

That being said though, I dismissed Craig's comment as just another idiotic comment when I first saw it. I didn't imagine it getting this much attention.
juliancarswell
11-12-2016
I wonder what number of murders you would see in say the top ten action films compared to the number of rapes. Perhaps we live in a murder culture?
molliepops
11-12-2016
I remember reading a report years ago that came to the conclusion a large number of women fantasise about being forced, it's quite a common taboo I believe. I can't see why Craig should be castigated for saying something honestly, it's hardly as if he was proposing to carry out the act just that he enjoyed and entertainment programme.
Grafenwalder
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Her speech was played in its entirety on R4's Today programme during the week. Very powerful and I'm sure plenty of people would've heard it.

As for Revel-Horwood - why jump down his throat about a throwaway comment? If the twitterati want to go at something then surely Game Of Thrones is the villain of the piece?”

Yes her speech was shown on Channel 4 news and the following night she spoke about it to Cathy Newman. https://www.channel4.com/news/michel...mson-interview

I just felt the media reporting over Revel Horwood was ridiculously ott and unnecessary.
MrQuike
11-12-2016
I especially liked the dragons and their mum. The sadistic cruelty, extreme graphic violence, and gore I could do without.
TerraCanis
11-12-2016
I'm glad that nobody took any action when my informal review of GoT's first episode concluded with the words "it was all quite jolly, really."

It's a drama made for the purposes of entertainment. The viewer is supposed to enjoy watching it.
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