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Brexit To Be Stuck In Legal Battles For Year? Never Get Off Ground? |
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The High Court should not be allowed to override or delay the wishes of the voting majority.
The people as a majority outranks the High Court or so it should be a common sense society. |
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I don't have the answers, I'm not mystic meg, but neither do people know we will be worse off hence all them doom reports saying STRAIGHT after the referendum vote if we voted Leave it would be a recession.. which DIDN'T happen. Yet people believe the doom reports that when we leave? why?.
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Not when a snap election is called. Prepare yourself!
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I don't think she's strong enough to deliver Brexit. Or Brexit the majority voted for.
Dare I say it, Trump would tell these Legal challenge obstacles to do one by now. He's not a perfect president but he is strong on his beliefs and views.. let's see if he's a success at implementing change. Obama was a good talker and diplomatic "people pleaser" like May, but didn't do much. Sounds great |
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And it all sounded so simple as well!!!
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Who do you think could be our very own Trump?
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I'm so tempted now to crowdfund a legal action against Millionaire Miller and her cohorts for trying to deny my rights in a parliamentary democracy by imposing her opinion on us all as it suits her agenda and personal wealth at the expense of us all.
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They are paying the price for a completely botched process, They left open so many loopholes, so many grey areas that, yes, it will be held up for years. Not something I agree with by the way.
I suspect the only way a country could leave the EU successfully and smoothly would be to elect a government who had leaving the EU as the main part of their manifesto and who then spent the term of their government putting the arrangements in place before triggering Article 50 after two or three years. |
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Baffling really when you think about it.
Why would people vote to Leave if not to end FOM and get to write our own laws? |
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David Cameron probably done it on purpose as he didn't believe in losing..
The consensus was that Cameron et al were so arrogant that they never thought they might lose. |
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The exit process was never going to be quick, simple or without risk. This is going to be the messiest divorce any country has gone through in modern history.
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Mays going to call a general election next year to safeguard it.
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The High Court should not be allowed to override or delay the wishes of the voting majority.
The people as a majority outranks the High Court or so it should be a common sense society. |
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The High Court should not be allowed to override or delay the wishes of the voting majority.
The people as a majority outranks the High Court or so it should be a common sense society. |
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We will be totally fine leaving the EU,
Really? Even if we lose the financial services passport and our GDP falls by 20%? I wish I shared your certainty. |
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Mays going to call a general election next year to safeguard it.
1. FTPA? 2. Will a divided Tory party back a Brexit manifesto? 3. Remainers won't vote for Brexit parties. TheDems will be the big benefactors here. We could end up with another coalition, a worse situation for the tories than they currently enjoy. 4. Will big business back a Tory Brexit manifesto? |
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Mays going to call a general election next year to safeguard it.
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The minute you allow a plebiscite majority to overrule law is the minute you introduce anarchy.
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It's happening, I'm heartily sick of this nonsense now, it's a case of I did not get what I wanted from the vote so I'm going to challenge it,
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So, what you are saying is that we should have an authoritarian leader who would crush the judiciary and opposition, change things for the sake of change and not please people?
Sounds great |
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It's posts like this that make me weep for our educational system.
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Indeed, the public could lose the plot in a fit of rage and vote to legalise something very unpleasant or undesirable. The legal system is designed to protect the country from this type or aberration or even from 'mob rule'.
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You can't please everyone !! No point trying.. Otherwise you don't get change
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Change for change sake is no good, especially when you are playing with your country's future. Better the devil you know I say.
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A great leader is willing to acknowledge that things are going wrong and to change that plan in the face of evidence. "sticking to the plan" is just bloody-mindedness and results in a poor outcome for everyone.
May hasn't demonstrated great leadership. Even as Home Sec she ignored evidence that was contrary to her position (drugs law reform). We're still waiting to hear what Brexit actually means - other than "Brexit" and "red white and blue". She doesn't even have a plan to stick to... May is doing exactly what she should. She's tried to keep the other parties from making political capital by setting unachievable goals, tried to stop die hard remainers stopping brexit , and she's dumped responsibility for the deal with Europe on the poeple who argued for the break, and told Leave voters they could have their cake and eat it. The problem now probably isn't with the courts, or the Commons , its going to be with the Lords, who may just not roll over and accept national decline, or who may demand a second referendum . That can't end well, as there will be no majority for any new settlement, which will be worse than what we have now, and government won't be able to get another deal if we turn down what we get.We could end up in perpetual referendums, with no deal , and maximum economic decline.. |
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