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Old 11-12-2016, 12:47
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The High Court should not be allowed to override or delay the wishes of the voting majority.

The people as a majority outranks the High Court or so it should be a common sense society.
Common sense doesn't dictate that people are above the law. What a bizarre statement.
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:50
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I don't have the answers, I'm not mystic meg, but neither do people know we will be worse off hence all them doom reports saying STRAIGHT after the referendum vote if we voted Leave it would be a recession.. which DIDN'T happen. Yet people believe the doom reports that when we leave? why?.
It was Farage who predicted a recession. Why don't you ask him?
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:01
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Not when a snap election is called. Prepare yourself!
There is not a cat in hell's chance of Labour MPs agreeing to a snap election any time soon. Corbyn might, but he'll never persuade the PLP to commit hare kari.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:19
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I don't think she's strong enough to deliver Brexit. Or Brexit the majority voted for.

Dare I say it, Trump would tell these Legal challenge obstacles to do one by now. He's not a perfect president but he is strong on his beliefs and views.. let's see if he's a success at implementing change. Obama was a good talker and diplomatic "people pleaser" like May, but didn't do much.
So, what you are saying is that we should have an authoritarian leader who would crush the judiciary and opposition, change things for the sake of change and not please people?
Sounds great
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:22
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And it all sounded so simple as well!!!
The exit process was never going to be quick, simple or without risk. This is going to be the messiest divorce any country has gone through in modern history.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:23
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Who do you think could be our very own Trump?
Lord Sugar, of course!
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:27
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I'm so tempted now to crowdfund a legal action against Millionaire Miller and her cohorts for trying to deny my rights in a parliamentary democracy by imposing her opinion on us all as it suits her agenda and personal wealth at the expense of us all.
Knock yer socks off! You have that right....
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:30
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They are paying the price for a completely botched process, They left open so many loopholes, so many grey areas that, yes, it will be held up for years. Not something I agree with by the way.
This was always the problem. Leaving the EU is too vast a process to be decided by a referendum that was announced at relatively short notice. I'm not sure either that those who were campaigning for a referendum for years understood what an absolute minefield this area would turn out to be.

I suspect the only way a country could leave the EU successfully and smoothly would be to elect a government who had leaving the EU as the main part of their manifesto and who then spent the term of their government putting the arrangements in place before triggering Article 50 after two or three years.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:32
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Baffling really when you think about it.

Why would people vote to Leave if not to end FOM and get to write our own laws?
Myriad reasons. The ballot paper didn't ask for them though, it simply asked about the EU specifically. If the government leave the EU but stay in the EEA and keep FoM and the EEA membership fees, technically, they've still enacted the will of the people.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:37
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David Cameron probably done it on purpose as he didn't believe in losing..
We were discussing this possibility at work the other day: whether it was intent or incompetence that has made this such a shambles.

The consensus was that Cameron et al were so arrogant that they never thought they might lose.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:38
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The exit process was never going to be quick, simple or without risk. This is going to be the messiest divorce any country has gone through in modern history.
As my grand mother used to say, divorce is no good for anyone. It is better to stay together for the sake of the children.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:38
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Mays going to call a general election next year to safeguard it.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:39
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The High Court should not be allowed to override or delay the wishes of the voting majority.

The people as a majority outranks the High Court or so it should be a common sense society.
It's posts like this that make me weep for our educational system.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:40
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The High Court should not be allowed to override or delay the wishes of the voting majority.

The people as a majority outranks the High Court or so it should be a common sense society.
The minute you allow a plebiscite majority to overrule law is the minute you introduce anarchy.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:45
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We will be totally fine leaving the EU,

Really? Even if we lose the financial services passport and our GDP falls by 20%?

I wish I shared your certainty.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:45
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Mays going to call a general election next year to safeguard it.
She really wont.

1. FTPA?
2. Will a divided Tory party back a Brexit manifesto?
3. Remainers won't vote for Brexit parties. TheDems will be the big benefactors here. We could end up with another coalition, a worse situation for the tories than they currently enjoy.
4. Will big business back a Tory Brexit manifesto?
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:48
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Mays going to call a general election next year to safeguard it.
So the papers keep saying. Getting two thirds of the commons to agree with her is going to be an improbable challenge though.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:49
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The minute you allow a plebiscite majority to overrule law is the minute you introduce anarchy.
Indeed, the public could lose the plot in a fit of rage and vote to legalise something very unpleasant or undesirable. The legal system is designed to protect the country from this type or aberration or even from 'mob rule'.
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Old 11-12-2016, 13:50
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It's happening, I'm heartily sick of this nonsense now, it's a case of I did not get what I wanted from the vote so I'm going to challenge it,
No-one knows if they got what they wanted from the referendum vote yet. That's the problem. It's still a blank cheque.
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:03
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So, what you are saying is that we should have an authoritarian leader who would crush the judiciary and opposition, change things for the sake of change and not please people?
Sounds great
You can't please everyone !! No point trying.. Otherwise you don't get change
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:36
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It's posts like this that make me weep for our educational system.
Just hope you have enough tissues.
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:39
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Indeed, the public could lose the plot in a fit of rage and vote to legalise something very unpleasant or undesirable. The legal system is designed to protect the country from this type or aberration or even from 'mob rule'.
So you've now defined a referendum majority as mob rule. Brilliant.
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:41
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You can't please everyone !! No point trying.. Otherwise you don't get change
Change for change sake is no good, especially when you are playing with your country's future. Better the devil you know I say.
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:44
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Change for change sake is no good, especially when you are playing with your country's future. Better the devil you know I say.
We've been down that road enough times tho.. Do you think if was working??
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:45
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A great leader is willing to acknowledge that things are going wrong and to change that plan in the face of evidence. "sticking to the plan" is just bloody-mindedness and results in a poor outcome for everyone.

May hasn't demonstrated great leadership. Even as Home Sec she ignored evidence that was contrary to her position (drugs law reform).

We're still waiting to hear what Brexit actually means - other than "Brexit" and "red white and blue". She doesn't even have a plan to stick to...
Your waiting to hear what brexit means- because Leave voters handed over the choice to 27 European governments - that was their definition of taking control. We can ask for what we like - they decide what we get. Leave voters were told this, ad infinitum, by Remain - they just refused to listen and believed Leave lies and fairy tales.

May is doing exactly what she should. She's tried to keep the other parties from making political capital by setting unachievable goals, tried to stop die hard remainers stopping brexit , and she's dumped responsibility for the deal with Europe on the poeple who argued for the break, and told Leave voters they could have their cake and eat it.

The problem now probably isn't with the courts, or the Commons , its going to be with the Lords, who may just not roll over and accept national decline, or who may demand a second referendum . That can't end well, as there will be no majority for any new settlement, which will be worse than what we have now, and government won't be able to get another deal if we turn down what we get.We could end up in perpetual referendums, with no deal , and maximum economic decline..
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