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Old 12-12-2016, 22:06
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He's unreal. I bet he condones 7/7 and 9/11.

I'm glad the other housemates are balanced though.
This guy will be on the security services radar after this unless he already is!
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:07
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He's not exactly the most persuasive person ever thought, is he? Even the other Muslims disagree with him (apart from the stand up comedian who seems more ambivalent).
Trouble is are any of them that persuasive until they start rounding on younger, more easily led prey, especially disillusioned people etc.

Liking the the comedy lad showing the EDL guy up for the idiot he is!
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:10
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Trouble is are any of them that persuasive until they start rounding on younger, more easily led prey, especially disillusioned people etc.

Liking the the comedy lad showing the EDL guy up for the idiot he is!
True - I suppose he just seems like such an obvious extremist idiot that it is hard to believe anyone would be won over by him, but you are right, it does happen.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:11
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This guy will be on the security services radar after this unless he already is!
He already is apparently. He's even had his passport confiscated.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:12
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Frustrating...now the comedy lad get's it in the neck for trying to break down barriers with someone from the EDL. I get what the comedy guy was trying to achieve, he's just a friendly, bubbly guy who doesn't like division.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:12
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Interesting watch.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:13
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He already is apparently. He's even had his passport confiscated.
I almost wish they would give him his passport back and buy him a one way ticket - if he thinks that kind of extreme society is the way to live then let him go and join IS and not hassle people over here.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:13
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It's pure trash TV. They managed to get every stereotype going. The one whose name sounds like Submarine saves it though.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:15
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I almost wish they would give him his passport back and buy him a one way ticket - if he thinks that kind of extreme society is the way to live then let him go and join IS and not hassle people over here.
I totally agree, i've never understood why this country has to stop those going to Syria or chase down those that have already gone, their frame of mind towards us is too dangerous for them to be here!
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:17
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I totally agree, i've never understood why this country has to stop those going to Syria or chase down those that have already gone, their frame of mind towards us is too dangerous for them to be here!
Let them go - the more the merrier. The trick is to stop them returning.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:36
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I thought it was a great programme and also cause for optimism if sufficient numbers of Muslims are accepting a compromise with traditional (ie Medieval) beliefs that are compatible with modern life in this country. The only trouble is that I didn't see any at all who seemed to represent the majority who you see walking the streets in large cities such as Leicester, Bradford and Peterborough. These are the ones who wear what to us appear as shabby, monochrome rags from the Victorian slums, with the women always walking several steps behind the men. Those are the type who I would dread moving in next door to me, yet I would openly welcome most of the sensible, progressive ones who appeared in the programme. As for Abdul, I was disturbed by the way that very attractive girl seemed taken in by him and said that he was a good guy deep inside. I thought of him as very dangerous and I hope he is being closely monitored.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:37
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I almost wish they would give him his passport back and buy him a one way ticket - if he thinks that kind of extreme society is the way to live then let him go and join IS and not hassle people over here.
I was shouting that inside my head. If you don't like it here just piss off to where it suits you. Oh no, too simple. He has to spread the Word.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:44
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I thought it was a great programme and also cause for optimism if sufficient numbers of Muslims are accepting a compromise with traditional (ie Medieval) beliefs that are compatible with modern life in this country.

The only trouble is that I didn't see any at all who seemed to represent the majority who you see walking the streets in large cities such as Leicester, Bradford and Peterborough. These are the ones who wear what to us appear as shabby, monochrome rags from the Victorian slums, with the women always walking several steps behind the men. Those are the type who I would dread moving in next door to me, yet I would openly welcome most of the sensible, progressive ones who appeared in the programme. As for Abdul, I was disturbed by the way that very attractive girl seemed taken in by him and said that he was a good guy deep inside. I thought of him as very dangerous and I hope he is being closely monitored.
I largely agree with you but I'm angry that they move here and don't compromise. Why are they here? For what? Where is the benefit for those who refuse?

Edit. To compromise.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:44
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Tomorrow's installment should be interesting.
Had a look again at the conversation the two homeless guys had with Marine as I didn't quite catch it the first time round, difficult to deny that the guy's had a point about the face of a lot of towns and cities changing with mass migration, the town centre where I live is a prime example, stupid amount of Eastern European shops that basically sell lots of British products with Polish or whatever writing on, there are parts of towns that you walk through and struggle to find another Brit. Migration should have happened in moderation.

The vast majority of Muslims shouldn't be tarred with the brush of grooming gangs though.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:49
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I thought it was a great programme and also cause for optimism if sufficient numbers of Muslims are accepting a compromise with traditional (ie Medieval) beliefs that are compatible with modern life in this country. The only trouble is that I didn't see any at all who seemed to represent the majority who you see walking the streets in large cities such as Leicester, Bradford and Peterborough. These are the ones who wear what to us appear as shabby, monochrome rags from the Victorian slums, with the women always walking several steps behind the men. Those are the type who I would dread moving in next door to me, yet I would openly welcome most of the sensible, progressive ones who appeared in the programme. As for Abdul, I was disturbed by the way that very attractive girl seemed taken in by him and said that he was a good guy deep inside. I thought of him as very dangerous and I hope he is being closely monitored.
The problem is the people that take the faith to medieval levels wouldn't be able to take part in the program for that very reason so the program is fundamentally flawed.
I just hope there are vastly more Muslims like those we saw in the program than those we see walking the streets hidden in a black sheet behind their husbands, husbands who only let them out the house when hubby wants to go somewhere and let them accompany him!!

Yes Marine or however it's spelt did seem strangely taken by him - I guarantee she wouldn't view him as a good guy if she was married to him!!
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:50
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"As a Muslim I reject human rights"

Ridiculous attitude.
Presumably because Abdul Haq was so loud you must have missed the immediate response from that chap: "You're here because of human rights" - i.e. not being imprisoned or killed for his faith, or his proselytisation, or his criticism of the government.

The phrase I really liked from this programme was the lady who said she was a "radical moderate". Good stuff.

The "comedy guy" is the one who objected to the Syrian student even speaking to the EDL clown. Since he is African I think he probably has a slightly different slant on the EDL to the (blonde) Syrian guy.
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Old 12-12-2016, 22:53
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Presumably because Abdul Haq was so loud you must have missed the immediate response from that chap: "You're here because of human rights" - i.e. not being imprisoned or killed for his faith, or his proselytisation, or his criticism of the government.

The phrase I really liked from this programme was the lady who said she was a "radical moderate". Good stuff.

The "comedy guy" is the one who objected to the Syrian student even speaking to the EDL clown. Since he is African I think he probably has a slightly different slant on the EDL to the (blonde) Syrian guy.
I meant the syrian guy, I thought the syrian guy was the comedy guy
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Old 13-12-2016, 01:02
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It's pure trash TV. They managed to get every stereotype going. The one whose name sounds like Submarine saves it though.
I don't think it's trash tv at all. And the reason they've every stereotype is because the want to show all shades of Muslim opinion, everyone from the strict woman-shunning man to the modern miss who embraces Western dress and culture while still being a Muslim. The interesting thing is their conversations with one another, maybe for the first time we're getting a chance to hear all shades of Muslim opinions rather than the opinions of the more conservative followers of Islam. I'd actually like to see a similar programme made about Christians, one person from as many of the different strands and sects as possible. I bet we'd see some infighting then!
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Old 13-12-2016, 08:41
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I meant the syrian guy, I thought the syrian guy was the comedy guy

The Syrian chap is doing a Masters Degree, so he's a student. The African chap is the stand-up, believe it or not.
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Old 13-12-2016, 08:51
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I don't think it's trash tv at all. And the reason they've every stereotype is because the want to show all shades of Muslim opinion, everyone from the strict woman-shunning man to the modern miss who embraces Western dress and culture while still being a Muslim. The interesting thing is their conversations with one another, maybe for the first time we're getting a chance to hear all shades of Muslim opinions rather than the opinions of the more conservative followers of Islam. I'd actually like to see a similar programme made about Christians, one person from as many of the different strands and sects as possible. I bet we'd see some infighting then!
The two newest religions are the only two religious faiths constantly seeking people to convert - and thus have been the cause of so much conflict through the centuries. They have each waged war on "the rest" and their own. Weird.
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Old 13-12-2016, 09:05
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Day 6 in the Big Allah house: Khurram and Syed were given the task of discussing the ideal role of women in Muslim society - however they appear to be arguing about whether Rooney should be starting for England. Shazia has upset some of the house by deciding not to cover her hair this morning - but also for leaving the milk out of the side last night. Overall things aren't that interesting as no one drinks alcohol or sleeps around.

Never mind - join us next week for our new series "I'm a jihadi get me out of here!".
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Old 13-12-2016, 09:53
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Most UK Muslims live in poor inner city areas of declining towns.
Those comfortable, middle class articulate lot were as representative of the Muslim population as a bunch of southern white middle class people would be of the general white population.
Utter sh1te, dreamed up by a bunch of Jeremys and Jemimas - or their Muslim equivalents.
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Old 13-12-2016, 09:57
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Any viewing figures yet, suspect they will be low.
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Old 13-12-2016, 10:31
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Most UK Muslims live in poor inner city areas of declining towns.
Those comfortable, middle class articulate lot were as representative of the Muslim population as a bunch of southern white middle class people would be of the general white population.
Utter sh1te, dreamed up by a bunch of Jeremys and Jemimas - or their Muslim equivalents.
You are not entirely correct. There are plenty of Muslims such as these - I know several Muslim families who are absolutely representative of those in the programme. Unfortunately I have also come across those like Haqq, who have refused to shake my hand or even acknowledge my contribution in meetings. Fortunately, these are the minority and get regularly shamed by other Muslims who are embarrassed by their behaviour.

Of course there are Muslims living in deprived areas, as there are plenty of Christian white people but don't assume that there aren't plenty of aspirational middle class Muslims too. Admittedly the deprived white population are far more willing to get their fifteen minutes of fame on "poverty porn tv" than other sectors of society but the Muslim population of this country has a good proportion of educated and professional people.
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Old 13-12-2016, 11:09
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Most UK Muslims live in poor inner city areas of declining towns.
Those comfortable, middle class articulate lot were as representative of the Muslim population as a bunch of southern white middle class people would be of the general white population.
Utter sh1te, dreamed up by a bunch of Jeremys and Jemimas - or their Muslim equivalents.
In a programme designed to provoke discussion there would hardly be any point in having a house full of inarticulate people. For that we have Big Brother and Jeremy Kyle. It's almost a shame to have poor old Abdul Haq ("entrepreneur") in the mix, but I suppose someone had to do it.
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