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Old 13-12-2016, 11:30
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Yes Marine or however it's spelt did seem strangely taken by him - I guarantee she wouldn't view him as a good guy if she was married to him!!
I suspect that she is just naturally inclined to look for the best in people and with a gregarious and socially inclusive personality is distressed at seeing someone excluded even if it by their own making; I'd compare her with the older lady who is far more vocal against him, probably based on having 30 or 40 more weary years of experience dealing with such attitudes.

The young student guy with the EDL member was an idiot in the way that youth excuses. "Wow so you're a man eating tiger, fantastic, can I stroke you?". Maybe we will learn more about him tonight and the background that made him.

Overall and taking account of the obvious reality-show fact that the social dynamic has been constructed to generate conflict, I thought this was worthwhile viewing.
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Old 13-12-2016, 12:31
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I suspect that she is just naturally inclined to look for the best in people and with a gregarious and socially inclusive personality is distressed at seeing someone excluded even if it by their own making; I'd compare her with the older lady who is far more vocal against him, probably based on having 30 or 40 more weary years of experience dealing with such attitudes.

The young student guy with the EDL member was an idiot in the way that youth excuses. "Wow so you're a man eating tiger, fantastic, can I stroke you?". Maybe we will learn more about him tonight and the background that made him.

Overall and taking account of the obvious reality-show fact that the social dynamic has been constructed to generate conflict, I thought this was worthwhile viewing.
Except he made the EDL bloke look a total loser of a human being by approaching him in a non hostile way he clearly couldn't cope with.
Why the blurred face, though?
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:27
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Except he made the EDL bloke look a total loser of a human being by approaching him in a non hostile way he clearly couldn't cope with.
Why the blurred face, though?
BIB - It wasn't hostile but it was invasive. I would not take kindly to some random stranger trying to force me into hugging them on the street.
The EDL bloke didn't seem able to say more than a few bullet points about what he believed in but the Syrian guy (Barra? Bara?) was a bit too over the top.
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Old 13-12-2016, 13:39
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I thought it was a great programme and also cause for optimism if sufficient numbers of Muslims are accepting a compromise with traditional (ie Medieval) beliefs that are compatible with modern life in this country. The only trouble is that I didn't see any at all who seemed to represent the majority who you see walking the streets in large cities such as Leicester, Bradford and Peterborough. These are the ones who wear what to us appear as shabby, monochrome rags from the Victorian slums, with the women always walking several steps behind the men. Those are the type who I would dread moving in next door to me, yet I would openly welcome most of the sensible, progressive ones who appeared in the programme. As for Abdul, I was disturbed by the way that very attractive girl seemed taken in by him and said that he was a good guy deep inside. I thought of him as very dangerous and I hope he is being closely monitored.
They are the ones who stand out and you notice, they aren't the majority.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:43
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The Daily Mail are hating this show. I wonder if the reason for that was because (aside from Addul Haq) it showed Muslims in a normal everyday light being tolerant and accepting.
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Old 13-12-2016, 14:53
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it start turning into Big Brother , with certain 'types' being cast .

be interesting to see how long before that fundamentalist guy lasts
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:16
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The Daily Mail are hating this show. I wonder if the reason for that was because (aside from Addul Haq) it showed Muslims in a normal everyday light being tolerant and accepting.
There are Muslims who don't like this programme because they don't see the participants as true Muslims and feel it's all part of a further attempt to water down Islam to suit the UK.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:29
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There are Muslims who don't like this programme because they don't see the participants as true Muslims and feel it's all part of a further attempt to water down Islam to suit the UK.
I'm sure there are. Which kind of proves the point that Muslims don't only come in one flavour.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:50
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They could certainly have made a very similar programme with certain types of Christians, although they might have had to find one of those manic street preachers or brought somebody over from the Westboro Baptist Church to play the part of Abdul.
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Old 13-12-2016, 15:56
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They could certainly have made a very similar programme with certain types of Christians, although they might have had to find one of those manic street preachers or brought somebody over from the Westboro Baptist Church to play the part of Abdul.
Or members of political parties.
A UKIP house would be entertaining. So would a Labour one. No shortage of eye-rolling, saliva-dripping loonies in those two.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:14
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Except he made the EDL bloke look a total loser of a human being by approaching him in a non hostile way he clearly couldn't cope with.
Why the blurred face, though?
Maybe they do things differently in Syria, but British people on the whole tend not to want to do the 'touchy feely hugging' nonsense. I wouldn't want a random stranger invading my personal space either, so no, the EDL guy didn't look like a 'total loser of a human being' for not wanting it either.

The blurred face was probably because the television company didn't have his permission to publish his face.
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Old 13-12-2016, 16:43
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As a former Muslim,

I believe religion is contextual.
1400 years ago, muslims were a group of people who were extremely oppressed so they developed mechanisms and ideologies to overcome that oppression, usually by war and by violence because it was the most effective method at the time for the context of the scenarios they were in.

With human behaviour, things are repeatable very easily. Thanks to the media and popular culture, the world has created an oppressive environment for muslims and that is why it is turning back on the world.

I don't give a **** what anyone has to say, I'm the middle man here. I used to be muslim, I know muslims they are amazing people that have a lot of pride about their beliefs and who the **** doesn't. I'm a God, I have pride in myself, I know people from both sides and the true story is that humans are absolute ***** and the media is an absolute ****.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:00
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As a former Muslim,

I believe religion is contextual.
1400 years ago, muslims were a group of people who were extremely oppressed so they developed mechanisms and ideologies to overcome that oppression, usually by war and by violence because it was the most effective method at the time for the context of the scenarios they were in.

With human behaviour, things are repeatable very easily. Thanks to the media and popular culture, the world has created an oppressive environment for muslims and that is why it is turning back on the world.

I don't give a **** what anyone has to say, I'm the middle man here. I used to be muslim, I know muslims they are amazing people that have a lot of pride about their beliefs and who the **** doesn't. I'm a God, I have pride in myself, I know people from both sides and the true story is that humans are absolute ***** and the media is an absolute ****.

a God ? do you have any super-powers ? which god are you ?
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:02
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Jews and Christians have never been oppressed?
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:08
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a God ? do you have any super-powers ? which god are you ?
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I have many.
My greatest superpower is my belief in myself.
Another power I'm enjoying is having this amazing physique which fits perfectly into custom made suits. I feel sexy as ****.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:08
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I'm sure there are. Which kind of proves the point that Muslims don't only come in one flavour.
I just think people don't look at the other side of things. I've seen a couple of docs like this, with the obvious intention of combating Islamophobia, and conservative Muslims have reacted negatively. More liberal Muslims are fine with it, but they are not the ones people really clash with are they.
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Old 13-12-2016, 17:11
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Jews and Christians have never been oppressed?
The media didn't correlate the words terrorist with Jews or Christians.
Jews get love from the media, we have days to remember the Jews who were victims of oppression.

Where are the days to remember the millions of Muslim who die every year from war? Or the common Muslim who feels as insecure as a 16 year old teen posing naked on instagram 24.7 ?
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:02
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TV programme shows that most people are normal. What a shocker
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:23
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Or members of political parties.
A UKIP house would be entertaining. So would a Labour one. No shortage of eye-rolling, saliva-dripping loonies in those two.
Two words: Boris Johnson
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:25
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The thing I fear the most I see here. . A group of people who fail to recognise rhe humanity of others and who have to understand and relate to others using thw rules written down in a book. I recognise you as a human,please extend tge same courtesy to me. You aint the only one who would like to go to Syria and be of some help to those poor bombed souls.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:48
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Jews and Christians have never been oppressed?
I think that you might need to revise that comment. Both Jews and Christians have suffered great oppression and persecution in the past.

The thing I fear the most I see here. . A group of people who fail to recognise rhe humanity of others and who have to understand and relate to others using thw rules written down in a book. I recognise you as a human,please extend tge same courtesy to me. You aint the only one who would like to go to Syria and be of some help to those poor bombed souls.
The great thing is that people are having a discussion and it is getting some viewers, who perhaps never have any personal contact or interaction with Muslims, to recognise that they perhaps need to challenge their own preconceptions of what a "Muslim" is.
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Old 13-12-2016, 18:52
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I think that you might need to revise that comment. Both Jews and Christians have suffered great oppression and persecution in the past.
I think you misread my post. It wasn't a statement, rather a question for the OP. Hint - question mark at the end of the sentence.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:00
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The thing I fear the most I see here. . A group of people who fail to recognise rhe humanity of others and who have to understand and relate to others using thw rules written down in a book. I recognise you as a human,please extend tge same courtesy to me. You aint the only one who would like to go to Syria and be of some help to those poor bombed souls.
Not sure a wannabe radical Muslim's motive for going to Syria is quite the same as yours sadly.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:07
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I think you misread my post. It wasn't a statement, rather a question for the OP. Hint - question mark at the end of the sentence.
Apologies.

I am reading this on my phone and so I miss things sometimes as it's quite hard to read.
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Old 13-12-2016, 19:21
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I enjoyed this show its interesting to see different points of views from muslims just goes to show they're not all nutbags like the media portrays.

Abdul Huq? (I think thats his name) was he converted by osama bin laden? Complete nutjob the exact kind of person I cant stand wanting everyone to be like him just because islam helped him doesnt mean it will help everyone, I also get the feeling hes only there as some kinda community service order.

I love the old lady shes seems like shes got a good head on her shoulders and can make the group come together.

One thing watching this made me think was do they really need religion?
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