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Old 14-12-2016, 00:27
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Shaking hands per se is not sexual, but if it is done softly or tenderly it can indicate amorous desire.
How curious! If someone shook my hand 'softly or tenderly' i'd get the impression they either weren't particularly strong or possibly very timid! I certainly wouldn't see it as 'amorous'. In fact the absolute opposite!

There are poems and song lyrics that express this notion. Words to the effect of "I knew I loved you from the moment I touched your hand" and other sentiments.
"I Want To Hold Your Hand", The Beatles writing early love songs. That isn't about shaking hands though! You are confusing a gesture of polite formal greeting with affectionate love. The two are completely different though i suppose we find cheek kissing male to male as odd which is the 'norm' in other countries.

Here is a good link about different greetings in foreign countries.

https://www.moveoneinc.com/blog/relo...und-the-world/
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:29
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How curious! If someone shook my hand 'softly or tenderly' i'd get the impression they either weren't particularly strong or possibly very timid! I certainly wouldn't see it as 'amorous'. In fact the absolute opposite!
I so hate the thought of being accused of a limp handshake that I use a grip of iron.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:30
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Because I believe in Islam.
Is that because you were brought up to believe it, or did you come to the conclusion yourself?

As for not shaking hands being considered bad manners, wouldn't that be based on an assumption of the intent behind it? The assumption being the misnomer that Islam degrades women or some-such nonsense.

The actual reason we don't do it is because it is a physical act that can, in principal, convey sexual desire between men and women. Islam is based on general principles.
BIB - utter bull. There's nothing 'sexual' about a handshake, and anyone who thinks there is has a serious problem.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:31
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Shaking hands per se is not sexual, but if it is done softly or tenderly it can indicate amorous desire.

There are poems and song lyrics that express this notion. Words to the effect of "I knew I loved you from the moment I touched your hand" and other sentiments.
Unbelievable!!

There's nothing sexual about a soft handshake. Quite the opposite in fact. Any man with a soft handshake would be seen as a bit wet.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:33
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Hhmm yes, good question!
There are, unfortunately, many people of all faiths and cultures who believe that women should be covered (unseen), or silent, and if they are not they are asking to be at least disrespected or even abused or - in extreme instances - killed. Nothing new here except that in this (and many other) countries there are laws to protect women from these assumptions and possible consequences of these assumptions. Problems will certainly arise when those living in countries with these laws choose to ignore them.

As for Abdul Haq, it is not normal to have the view (however he tries to worm his way around the issue) that anyone not holding the views you espouse may be killed. I wouldn't exactly use the expression "bat shit crazy", but he may well benefit from some psychiatric investigation. Like most obsessives his views are illogical and hypocritical. He twice (on camera) stated that it was incumbent on muslims to tell the truth. Yet we learned that he obtained a passport in a false name when his own passport was revoked to prevent him from leaving the country. This would certainly have involved lying - although obviously he would quote some verse which would excuse lying in certain circumstances.

I wasn't in the least surprised that Saba was the one to take on the two men who tried to dominate the conversations. She's nearly 80 and has no doubt heard these conversations and seen these behaviours many times in her life. Far too long in the tooth to put up with it, avoid it, excuse it, or pander to it in any way. She is also supremely comfortable with her faith, her family and her life - again, something which comes with age and experience, if we're lucky.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:37
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Shaking hands per se is not sexual, but if it is done softly or tenderly it can indicate amorous desire.

There are poems and song lyrics that express this notion. Words to the effect of "I knew I loved you from the moment I touched your hand" and other sentiments.
But that shows that the desire is in your heart and mind, the touch doesn't matter.
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Old 14-12-2016, 00:47
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Is that because you were brought up to believe it, or did you come to the conclusion yourself?



BIB - utter bull. There's nothing 'sexual' about a handshake, and anyone who thinks there is has a serious problem.
I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.

As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.
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Old 14-12-2016, 01:06
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I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.

As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.
There's nothing theoretical about it, you have already the desire in your head if you are thinking that way about even a handshake. Islam, like Christianity, is attempting to regulate human nature.
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Old 14-12-2016, 02:53
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The last communal meal.

Q. What happens if you take the juice out of grapes?
A. They become raisins.

Q. What happens if you take the juice out of plums?
A. They become prunes.

Q. What happens if you take the f**k out of onions?
A. There isn’t any f**k-in onions

Exactly, they all belong to Nabil Abdulrashid, the ‘comedian’ he bought them with his own money!
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Old 14-12-2016, 03:41
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The problem is the people that take the faith to medieval levels wouldn't be able to take part in the program for that very reason so the program is fundamentally flawed.
I just hope there are vastly more Muslims like those we saw in the program than those we see walking the streets hidden in a black sheet behind their husbands, husbands who only let them out the house when hubby wants to go somewhere and let them accompany him!!

Yes Marine or however it's spelt did seem strangely taken by him - I guarantee she wouldn't view him as a good guy if she was married to him!!
I thought she may have been a boxing fan!
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Old 14-12-2016, 04:33
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I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.
Not the only reason, just a crucial one. Let's not pretend that people born and raised in an ideology that claims to be the one and only correct way of living and considers apostasy one of the most severe taboos (to many believers worthy of punishment by death) do, upon reaching adulthood, make a free and dispassionate decision on whether to carry on practicing the religion or sod it all off, be condemned and ostracised by your friends and family and have to start thinking for yourself instead of blindly following what the Quran/Imam says. Get real.
As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.
No, it's about 'God/Mohammed said so'. There's theoretical potential for desire in all human interaction.
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:29
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I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.
We all know that you can't choose to reject it. The penalty for apostacy is death. I do think that the only reason you believe it is because of the brainwashing you received from birth.

As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.
There is no potential, theoretical or otherwise, for desire based solely on a handshake.

This would certainly have involved lying - although obviously he would quote some verse which would excuse lying in certain circumstances.
It's called taqqiya. They only have to be truthful to other Muslims. Lying to non-believers is perfectly acceptable.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:13
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Two women (Shia and slightly older Asian) the Syrian, the gay one and the fat man are reasonable.
The others are absolute arses. Especially the unfunny comedian.
The "unfunny comedian" clearly has a lot of issues. (http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/new...n_talent_show/) From a very shaky start hovering before the spectre of a life of criminality he has managed to turn his life around, but on the way has experienced racism even from his fellow muslims, which cannot be easy (although sadly this is not unique to him). If he were gay and disabled it would be "full house". (Someone once asked Sammy Davis Jnr. his views on prejudice and he answered "I'm a one-eyed jewish negro, what do you think my views are?") Nobody (including me) could understand his reaction to "his" onions (as he repeatedly told us, paid for with his own money) being prepared for use in a communal meal. Was it because the person doing the preparation was gay? I do hope not, but cannot think of any other reason for this outburst.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:18
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...............It's called taqqiya. They only have to be truthful to other Muslims. Lying to non-believers is perfectly acceptable.
Of course. And since Abdul Haq only regards muslims with identical beliefs to him as muslim he's perfectly free to lie on a grand scale.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:47
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On a personal level I loved Mahni. What a lovely man! Loved his and the Scottish guy's bromance!
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Old 16-12-2016, 16:34
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The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.

Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul.

Any boorish redneck as the unfunny comedian.

Madonna as the 80 year-old woman ...

etc, etc.
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Old 16-12-2016, 16:36
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The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.

Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul
The membership of the Wesboro Baptist Church is extremely small. It's essentially one nutty family.
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Old 16-12-2016, 16:43
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The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.

Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul.

Any boorish redneck as the unfunny comedian.

Madonna as the 80 year-old woman ...

etc, etc.
Not really. I've never seen the Westboro lot as reflecting Christian values anyway. Did you view that link i posted in #101? Far worse than Westboro, if thats possible!
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Old 16-12-2016, 19:19
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I really enjoyed this show.

It reminded me of the original BB when it was still a social experiment and you didn't get chucked out for being controversial.

I learnt a few things too.
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Old 16-12-2016, 19:54
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Not really. I've never seen the Westboro lot as reflecting Christian values anyway. Did you view that link i posted in #101? Far worse than Westboro, if thats possible!
I can only assume that the content of the link has changed, because all it's showing now is a brief synopsis of the programme - i.e. what we already know.

I picked the Westboro loonies as a rather obvious example, but many Creationists would come into a similar category (except perhaps for killing people), but there are substantial numbers who think it's legitimate to murder an abortionist on religious grounds, or at the very least subject visitors to the clinics to harrowing abuse.
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Old 17-12-2016, 00:53
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Crumbs the blow up over onions!
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Old 17-12-2016, 01:01
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Crumbs the blow up over onions!
Wasn't that guy the one who ran a charity about being generous to the homeless. What a hypocrite when it comes to your house mates then! They were onions
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Old 17-12-2016, 01:04
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Unbelievable!!

There's nothing sexual about a soft handshake. Quite the opposite in fact. Any man with a soft handshake would be seen as a bit wet.
I've always thought there was something very creepy and sinister about people who give an overly firm handshake.
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Old 17-12-2016, 01:05
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Those onions were special to him lol
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Old 17-12-2016, 01:24
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I can only assume that the content of the link has changed, because all it's showing now is a brief synopsis of the programme - i.e. what we already know.
It's still showing and 'available for 3 months'. When the screen opens there is pop up 'skip trailer'. Click that and the documentary should begin. It's 40mins long. It's not in relation to the Muslims Like Us programme. I posted it when you mentioned about the Westboro lot. These imo are much worse. Nothing Christian about them at all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...uggid=p049v0dm

If you still cannot view in iplayer for some reason, it's also on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4xlZlsSLE&t=171s
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