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Shaking hands per se is not sexual, but if it is done softly or tenderly it can indicate amorous desire.
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There are poems and song lyrics that express this notion. Words to the effect of "I knew I loved you from the moment I touched your hand" and other sentiments.
"I Want To Hold Your Hand", The Beatles writing early love songs. That isn't about shaking hands though! You are confusing a gesture of polite formal greeting with affectionate love. The two are completely different though i suppose we find cheek kissing male to male as odd which is the 'norm' in other countries.Here is a good link about different greetings in foreign countries. https://www.moveoneinc.com/blog/relo...und-the-world/ |
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How curious! If someone shook my hand 'softly or tenderly' i'd get the impression they either weren't particularly strong or possibly very timid! I certainly wouldn't see it as 'amorous'. In fact the absolute opposite!
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#128 |
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Because I believe in Islam.
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As for not shaking hands being considered bad manners, wouldn't that be based on an assumption of the intent behind it? The assumption being the misnomer that Islam degrades women or some-such nonsense.
The actual reason we don't do it is because it is a physical act that can, in principal, convey sexual desire between men and women. Islam is based on general principles. |
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Shaking hands per se is not sexual, but if it is done softly or tenderly it can indicate amorous desire.
There are poems and song lyrics that express this notion. Words to the effect of "I knew I loved you from the moment I touched your hand" and other sentiments. There's nothing sexual about a soft handshake. Quite the opposite in fact. Any man with a soft handshake would be seen as a bit wet. |
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#130 |
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Hhmm yes, good question!
![]() As for Abdul Haq, it is not normal to have the view (however he tries to worm his way around the issue) that anyone not holding the views you espouse may be killed. I wouldn't exactly use the expression "bat shit crazy", but he may well benefit from some psychiatric investigation. Like most obsessives his views are illogical and hypocritical. He twice (on camera) stated that it was incumbent on muslims to tell the truth. Yet we learned that he obtained a passport in a false name when his own passport was revoked to prevent him from leaving the country. This would certainly have involved lying - although obviously he would quote some verse which would excuse lying in certain circumstances. I wasn't in the least surprised that Saba was the one to take on the two men who tried to dominate the conversations. She's nearly 80 and has no doubt heard these conversations and seen these behaviours many times in her life. Far too long in the tooth to put up with it, avoid it, excuse it, or pander to it in any way. She is also supremely comfortable with her faith, her family and her life - again, something which comes with age and experience, if we're lucky. |
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Shaking hands per se is not sexual, but if it is done softly or tenderly it can indicate amorous desire.
There are poems and song lyrics that express this notion. Words to the effect of "I knew I loved you from the moment I touched your hand" and other sentiments. |
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Is that because you were brought up to believe it, or did you come to the conclusion yourself?
BIB - utter bull. There's nothing 'sexual' about a handshake, and anyone who thinks there is has a serious problem. As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance. |
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#133 |
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I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.
As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance. |
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The last communal meal.
Q. What happens if you take the juice out of grapes? A. They become raisins. Q. What happens if you take the juice out of plums? A. They become prunes. Q. What happens if you take the f**k out of onions? A. There isn’t any f**k-in onions Exactly, they all belong to Nabil Abdulrashid, the ‘comedian’ he bought them with his own money! |
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#135 |
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The problem is the people that take the faith to medieval levels wouldn't be able to take part in the program for that very reason so the program is fundamentally flawed.
I just hope there are vastly more Muslims like those we saw in the program than those we see walking the streets hidden in a black sheet behind their husbands, husbands who only let them out the house when hubby wants to go somewhere and let them accompany him!! Yes Marine or however it's spelt did seem strangely taken by him - I guarantee she wouldn't view him as a good guy if she was married to him!! |
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I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.
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As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.
No, it's about 'God/Mohammed said so'. There's theoretical potential for desire in all human interaction.
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I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.
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As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.
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This would certainly have involved lying - although obviously he would quote some verse which would excuse lying in certain circumstances.
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#138 |
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Two women (Shia and slightly older Asian) the Syrian, the gay one and the fat man are reasonable.
The others are absolute arses. Especially the unfunny comedian. |
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#139 |
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...............It's called taqqiya. They only have to be truthful to other Muslims. Lying to non-believers is perfectly acceptable.
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On a personal level I loved Mahni. What a lovely man! Loved his and the Scottish guy's bromance!
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The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.
Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul. Any boorish redneck as the unfunny comedian. Madonna as the 80 year-old woman ... etc, etc. |
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The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.
Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul |
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The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.
Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul. Any boorish redneck as the unfunny comedian. Madonna as the 80 year-old woman ... etc, etc. |
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I really enjoyed this show.
It reminded me of the original BB when it was still a social experiment and you didn't get chucked out for being controversial. I learnt a few things too. |
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Not really. I've never seen the Westboro lot as reflecting Christian values anyway. Did you view that link i posted in #101? Far worse than Westboro, if thats possible!
I picked the Westboro loonies as a rather obvious example, but many Creationists would come into a similar category (except perhaps for killing people), but there are substantial numbers who think it's legitimate to murder an abortionist on religious grounds, or at the very least subject visitors to the clinics to harrowing abuse. |
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Crumbs the blow up over onions!
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Crumbs the blow up over onions!
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Unbelievable!!
There's nothing sexual about a soft handshake. Quite the opposite in fact. Any man with a soft handshake would be seen as a bit wet. |
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Those onions were special to him lol
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I can only assume that the content of the link has changed, because all it's showing now is a brief synopsis of the programme - i.e. what we already know.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...uggid=p049v0dm If you still cannot view in iplayer for some reason, it's also on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4xlZlsSLE&t=171s |
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That isn't about shaking hands though! You are confusing a gesture of polite formal greeting with affectionate love. The two are completely different though i suppose we find cheek kissing male to male as odd which is the 'norm' in other countries.

