How curious! If someone shook my hand 'softly or tenderly' i'd get the impression they either weren't particularly strong or possibly very timid! I certainly wouldn't see it as 'amorous'. In fact the absolute opposite!


"I Want To Hold Your Hand", The Beatles writing early love songs. That isn't about shaking hands though! You are confusing a gesture of polite formal greeting with affectionate love. The two are completely different though i suppose we find cheek kissing male to male as odd which is the 'norm' in other countries.

Here is a good link about different greetings in foreign countries.

https://www.moveoneinc.com/blog/relo...und-the-world/

I so hate the thought of being accused of a limp handshake that I use a grip of iron.

Is that because you were brought up to believe it, or did you come to the conclusion yourself?


BIB - utter bull. There's nothing 'sexual' about a handshake, and anyone who thinks there is has a serious problem.

Unbelievable!!

There's nothing sexual about a soft handshake. Quite the opposite in fact. Any man with a soft handshake would be seen as a bit wet.

There are, unfortunately, many people of all faiths and cultures who believe that women should be covered (unseen), or silent, and if they are not they are asking to be at least disrespected or even abused or - in extreme instances - killed. Nothing new here except that in this (and many other) countries there are laws to protect women from these assumptions and possible consequences of these assumptions. Problems will certainly arise when those living in countries with these laws choose to ignore them.

As for Abdul Haq, it is not normal to have the view (however he tries to worm his way around the issue) that anyone not holding the views you espouse may be killed. I wouldn't exactly use the expression "bat shit crazy", but he may well benefit from some psychiatric investigation. Like most obsessives his views are illogical and hypocritical. He twice (on camera) stated that it was incumbent on muslims to tell the truth. Yet we learned that he obtained a passport in a false name when his own passport was revoked to prevent him from leaving the country. This would certainly have involved lying - although obviously he would quote some verse which would excuse lying in certain circumstances.

I wasn't in the least surprised that Saba was the one to take on the two men who tried to dominate the conversations. She's nearly 80 and has no doubt heard these conversations and seen these behaviours many times in her life. Far too long in the tooth to put up with it, avoid it, excuse it, or pander to it in any way. She is also supremely comfortable with her faith, her family and her life - again, something which comes with age and experience, if we're lucky.

But that shows that the desire is in your heart and mind, the touch doesn't matter.

I was brought up a Muslim, but as an adult I could've chosen to reject it. I say this just in case your thinking that the only reason I believe is because I was born into it.

As for the handshake, it's about the theoretical potential for desire, not whether it occurs in any particular instance.

There's nothing theoretical about it, you have already the desire in your head if you are thinking that way about even a handshake. Islam, like Christianity, is attempting to regulate human nature.

The last communal meal.

Q. What happens if you take the juice out of grapes?
A. They become raisins.

Q. What happens if you take the juice out of plums?
A. They become prunes.

Q. What happens if you take the f**k out of onions?
A. There isn’t any f**k-in onions

Exactly, they all belong to Nabil Abdulrashid, the ‘comedian’ he bought them with his own money!

I thought she may have been a boxing fan!

Not the only reason, just a crucial one. Let's not pretend that people born and raised in an ideology that claims to be the one and only correct way of living and considers apostasy one of the most severe taboos (to many believers worthy of punishment by death) do, upon reaching adulthood, make a free and dispassionate decision on whether to carry on practicing the religion or sod it all off, be condemned and ostracised by your friends and family and have to start thinking for yourself instead of blindly following what the Quran/Imam says. Get real.

No, it's about 'God/Mohammed said so'. There's theoretical potential for desire in all human interaction.

We all know that you can't choose to reject it. The penalty for apostacy is death. I do think that the only reason you believe it is because of the brainwashing you received from birth.


There is no potential, theoretical or otherwise, for desire based solely on a handshake.


It's called taqqiya. They only have to be truthful to other Muslims. Lying to non-believers is perfectly acceptable.

The "unfunny comedian" clearly has a lot of issues. (http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/new...n_talent_show/) From a very shaky start hovering before the spectre of a life of criminality he has managed to turn his life around, but on the way has experienced racism even from his fellow muslims, which cannot be easy (although sadly this is not unique to him). If he were gay and disabled it would be "full house". (Someone once asked Sammy Davis Jnr. his views on prejudice and he answered "I'm a one-eyed jewish negro, what do you think my views are?") Nobody (including me) could understand his reaction to "his" onions (as he repeatedly told us, paid for with his own money) being prepared for use in a communal meal. Was it because the person doing the preparation was gay? I do hope not, but cannot think of any other reason for this outburst.

Of course. And since Abdul Haq only regards muslims with identical beliefs to him as muslim he's perfectly free to lie on a grand scale.

On a personal level I loved Mahni. What a lovely man! Loved his and the Scottish guy's bromance!

The same programme could easily be made again in America, only with Christians.

Either a member of the Westboro Baptist Church (or any radical anti-abortionist) as Abdul.

Any boorish redneck as the unfunny comedian.

Madonna as the 80 year-old woman ...

etc, etc.

The membership of the Wesboro Baptist Church is extremely small. It's essentially one nutty family.

Not really. I've never seen the Westboro lot as reflecting Christian values anyway. Did you view that link i posted in #101? Far worse than Westboro, if thats possible!

I really enjoyed this show.

It reminded me of the original BB when it was still a social experiment and you didn't get chucked out for being controversial.

I learnt a few things too.

I can only assume that the content of the link has changed, because all it's showing now is a brief synopsis of the programme - i.e. what we already know.

I picked the Westboro loonies as a rather obvious example, but many Creationists would come into a similar category (except perhaps for killing people), but there are substantial numbers who think it's legitimate to murder an abortionist on religious grounds, or at the very least subject visitors to the clinics to harrowing abuse.

Crumbs the blow up over onions!

Wasn't that guy the one who ran a charity about being generous to the homeless. What a hypocrite when it comes to your house mates then! They were onions

I've always thought there was something very creepy and sinister about people who give an overly firm handshake.

Those onions were special to him lol

It's still showing and 'available for 3 months'. When the screen opens there is pop up 'skip trailer'. Click that and the documentary should begin. It's 40mins long. It's not in relation to the Muslims Like Us programme. I posted it when you mentioned about the Westboro lot. These imo are much worse. Nothing Christian about them at all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...uggid=p049v0dm

If you still cannot view in iplayer for some reason, it's also on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4xlZlsSLE&t=171s