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Poll suggests public will not accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov Quote:
The British public will not accept a Brexit deal that leaves them worse off financially, a new poll suggests. In a sign that a majority of the public would be unwilling to accept an economically damaging hard Brexit, half of those who voted to leave the EU in June, including 62% of Labour voters and 59% of those in the north, would not be willing to lose any money at all as a consequence of Britain’s withdrawal.
BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for.
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Of course, these polls are always 100% accurate, aren`t they ? A decision has been made, for better or worse and it now needs to be implemented as soon as possible. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. Another "Told you so" thread. Desperate or what?
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You can say this about anything.
After a Labour election win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After a Conservative win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After Remain win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After Leave win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After Tory/LibDem coalition: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" It's normal. In practice the public will accept, it just has to be done right politically. Like austerity. |
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And so continues the downward trend of support for Brexit. I wouldn't like to be making decisions in government now.
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So the only logical option is not to Brexit at all then. Glad to see people are finally waking up - let's hope it continues before article 50 is invoked.
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BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for.
Why would anyone ever be "willing to lose any money at all" in any situation at any time under any circumstances at all? What does this poll tell us other than people don't like to lose money? How is it in any way some deep astounding revolutionary shocka that people don't want to lose money on anything? The poll asks if people are willing to tolerate some unspecified reduction in income or take a cost in furtherance of a long-term goal, and some people said yes, and I hope we can all see that this is not simply 'losing money' even if arguing that the cost is wasteful, unnecessary etc. This polling business is brilliant. People pay you to ask the most awesomely stupid questions and then people pay you to use the results you got! They must be loving brexit. FTFA: "Just one in 10 would be willing to lose more than £100 a month." Was this from the poll just done or is this from that other poll which - as here - was widely misrepresented due to missing out the critical parts of the question asked, thereby entirely changing the meaning of the answer? |
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BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. What hasn't been tested is proper examination on the EU side and if those countries who sell a great deal more to the UK than they import feel if the UK imposed tarrifs. On balance and looking historically at the EU position in agreeing deals with the world at large it does seem that Britain will be able to secure trading agreements with the rest of the world more easily. The reason it takes 7 years to agree a deal with Canada is 27 countries have to agree. Has it however prevented Canada selling goods to the EU or America or any other country outside of the EU? The real problem though is the stance the EU continues to take with freedom of movement, it is a commendable idea but in practice doesn't work. There is no use saying that Britain doesn't need immigration, it does, much of our services especially the NHS would collapse without immigration but it should be better controlled and that will be a growing concern for many EU countries coping with the pressure of increasing numbers. If the EU had recognised this and implemented a policy where all EU countries including the UK could control numbers based on a countries ability to accomodate numbers we would never have had a referendum. |
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Errrrrrrrrrrrr yeah but it's from the Guardian and being presented by one of our resident gloom mongers.
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Now where did I put that crystal ball.
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May has reassured us that we'll be having a "red, white and blue Brexit" so everything is clear now and will be fine.
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Of course, these polls are always 100% accurate, aren`t they ? A decision has been made, for better or worse and it now needs to be implemented as soon as possible. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. Another "Told you so" thread. Desperate or what?
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You can say this about anything.
After a Labour election win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After a Conservative win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After Remain win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After Leave win: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" After Tory/LibDem coalition: "the public won't accept anything that makes them worse off" It's normal. In practice the public will accept, it just has to be done right politically. Like austerity. |
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BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. The Manchester Gaurdian is a tax avoiding gutter rag much worse than the Daily Mail because the DM does have some good articles from time to time, Tim Farron is a ****wit who is totally untrustworthy and a parasite on the boil of the butt of humanity. If Farron was around at the birth of Jesus and one of the three wise men I reckon he would have brought despair rather than gold. |
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The referendum result wasn't a mutual suicide pact. If it becomes clear that we will be significantly worse off then we should reconsider.
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Now where did I put that crystal ball.
The economy goes up and down for lots of factors and will do so in the future whether we are in the EU or not.In the end People need to consider the long term benefits over the short term impacts - something as a country which generally on so many issues like the deficit, the NHS and social care and pensions we are totally failing to do. As for these endless polls - did remain win by 10 per cent as the final published on 23 June suggested? Ask the right question and you can get any answer you want in a poll! |
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In the end People need to consider the long term benefits over the short term impacts - something as a country which generally on so many issues like the deficit, the NHS and social care and pensions we are totally failing to do. |
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Indeed. Now it's a shame that Brexit is bad in both the short and long terms, isn't it.
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Ah so you've got the crystal ball.
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Ah so you've got the crystal ball.
Three of the four nations with the highest GDP per head in Europe are not in the EU. If the EU is so good for the economy why are the richest nations in Europe not members? |
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How TF do you reach that conclusion?
The poll asks if people are willing to tolerate some unspecified reduction in income or take a cost in furtherance of a long-term goal, and some people said yes, and I hope we can all see that this is not simply 'losing money' even if arguing that the cost is wasteful, unnecessary etc. This polling business is brilliant. People pay you to ask the most awesomely stupid Why would anyone ever be "willing to lose any money at all" in any situation at any time under any circumstances at all? What does this poll tell us other than people don't like to lose money? How is it in any way some deep astounding revolutionary shocka that people don't want to lose money on anything? questions and then people pay you to use the results you got! They must be loving brexit. FTFA: "Just one in 10 would be willing to lose more than £100 a month." Was this from the poll just done or is this from that other poll which - as here - was widely misrepresented due to missing out the critical parts of the question asked, thereby entirely changing the meaning of the answer? |
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Who paid for the poll?
The Manchester Gaurdian is a tax avoiding gutter rag much worse than the Daily Mail because the DM does have some good articles from time to time, Tim Farron is a ****wit who is totally untrustworthy and a parasite on the boil of the butt of humanity. If Farron was around at the birth of Jesus and one of the three wise men I reckon he would have brought despair rather than gold. Sounds like typical muddled Brexit "Have our cake and eat it" type thinking. |
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If 2016 shows anything it's that consensus predictions don't always work out.
Three of the four nations with the highest GDP per head in Europe are not in the EU. If the EU is so good for the economy why are the richest nations in Europe not members? Well, maybe we're okay at being a tax haven to some people - but we actually have to pay for public services somehow (since more than 10 people live here) |
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...the DM does have some good articles from time to time...
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BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/11/03...are-stuck-den/ Quote:
Who paid for the poll?
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The economy goes up and down for lots of factors and will do so in the future whether we are in the EU or not.