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Poll suggests public will not accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off |
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Even when it's patently obvious to any fool that the consequences will be awful?
Ever heard of the saying "cut off your nose to spite your face"? |
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BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. |
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All together now:
God rest ye merry Brexiters Awash in festive cheer The boss has pinched your presents And watered down your beer They've starved the poor old turkey There's nothing left inside The fairy's down the food bank And the tree is looking bare We want our country back, they shout None of your foreign muck Trouble is we've forgotten How much comes in by truck The wine, cheese and Prosecco Do send more over to us We didn't mean to dis you We need you after all |
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I'm no supporter of the Tories but zero hours contracts were around long before 2010 and have existed under all colours of Parliament. The Tories have passed laws in an attempt to protect workers and zero hours is something that can only really be used by employers when there is a surfeit of available labour like we have under freedom of movement. Most people working on zero hours contracts like it that way.
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The link you gave is interesting in its results but even more interesting when you read that fanatic Remnant comments at the end. I'm sure some post on here.
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Many of the Low Pay Units and wages negotiation boards have been abolished and Industrial Tribunals subjected to means testing. Working practices have been changed and the Unions emasculated. The Tories don't give a toss about worker's rights, they are only concerned with making maximum profits for themselves. Welcome to the new world of workplace slavery!
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Indeed. No credible conversation about the actual poll, same as this thread. Just the same old from the same old.
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As a somewhat useless and soundbyte council chief executive once said, paid opinion will say exactly what you want them to say.
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Sadly, I am becoming ever more suspicious of that actuality in ever more places these days (and i'm not necessarily pointing at the Russians there like everyone else is).
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Even when it's patently obvious to any fool that the consequences will be awful?
Ever heard of the saying "cut off your nose to spite your face"? |
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The best thing to do is for the government to tell us that we will be better off
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov
BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. |
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In the past 6 years, on average, Polish pay has gone up 23%, Germany 14%, France 11%.
The UK's has gone done 10%. This is due to the Tories pushing zero hour contracts, temporary roles & creating an environment of job insecurity. |
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The Tories have passed laws in an attempt to protect workers...
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Hahahahaha! Which laws would they be?
In March 2015, the Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Act 2015[24] received Royal Assent. On a date to be appointed, s. 153 of the Act will amend the Employment Rights Act 1996, so that exclusivity terms in zero hours contracts will no longer be enforceable, and regulations may specify other circumstances under which employers may not restrict what other work zero hours workers can do. |
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Well I was going from memory but a quick Google found this one:
In March 2015, the Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Act 2015[24] received Royal Assent. On a date to be appointed, s. 153 of the Act will amend the Employment Rights Act 1996, so that exclusivity terms in zero hours contracts will no longer be enforceable, and regulations may specify other circumstances under which employers may not restrict what other work zero hours workers can do. Under Universal Credit, claimants can be forced under threat of sanction to take on a zero hours contract, but the Tories hit a glitch, what if someone already has a zero hours contract with an exclusivity clause? It would be considered unreasonable to expect a person who has a zero hours contract with an exclusivity clause to take on another zero hours contract, and besides the contract forbids that. So the Tories abolished exclusivity clauses, now Universal Credit claimants can be forced under threat of sanction to sign an infinite amount of zero hours contracts as exclusivity clauses are abolished. Exclusivity clauses enable the Tories to sanction more Universal Credit claimants unless they take on X amount of zero hours contracts. It has not been implemented to support workers but to support the sanction regime. You have to read between the lines with the Tories. |
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The best thing to do is for the government to tell us that we will be better off
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Lie you mean?
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Exclusivity clauses enable the Tories to sanction more Universal Credit claimants unless they take on X amount of zero hours contracts. It has not been implemented to support workers but to support the sanction regime. You have to read between the lines with the Tories.
Exclusivity clauses in zero-hours contracts are inherently wrong if there's no liveable retainer being paid, and if it's for minimum-wage stuff then the legislation was long overdue and one wonders how it was that the situation was allowed to persist for such a long time. |
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The public will just have to accept what ever kind of Brexit the EU grants us.
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On the other hand one can easily read it as th
Exclusivity clauses in zero-hours contracts are inherently wrong if there's no liveable retainer being paid, and if it's for minimum-wage stuff then the legislation was long overdue and one wonders how it was that the situation was allowed to persist for such a long time. There was also nothing wrong with Tebbit's "On your bike". If you were unfortunate to be born in an area with few jobs or opportunities then it seems common sense to move rather than sitting around moaning about it. I did it when I left a small village in the North East 25 years ago and millions of others have been doing it for generations. |
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... Casual labour with no fixed hours has existed forever, it's just that they were formally called ZHCs in recent years.
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... I did it when I left a small village in the North East 25 years ago and millions of others have been doing it for generations.
I've moved around for work too - perhaps another study in workforce mobility is needed, one wonders how much could be fixed simply by the existence of a decently regular 'bus to the next town' service.And apparently we now need tents to go with our bikes! |
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The public will just have to accept what ever kind of Brexit the EU grants us.
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The irony. The public want to be free of the "tyranny" (their words, not mine!) of the EU yet the most important thing of all, the deal we get, is what they grant to us!
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To point out the obvious, during the referendum campaign it was repeatedly pointed out that we could end up significantly worse off if we opted to leave the EU. Despite this the pro-Leave portion of the population basically agreed to give the pro-Leave politicians a free hand to damage their standard of living. As such, it is a bit late for them to complain that they won't accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off, when they voted for it.
This is akin to ignoring all financial advice and giving someone a blank cheque and then getting upset at the amount the person fills in on the cheque. |
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