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Poll suggests public will not accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off |
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To point out the obvious, during the referendum campaign it was repeatedly pointed out that we could end up significantly worse off if we opted to leave the EU. Despite this the pro-Leave portion of the population basically agreed to give the pro-Leave politicians a free hand to damage their standard of living..
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They believed the pro-leave politicians who told us that we could pick and choose to keep what we liked about the EU. Which was a load of bullshit- and is increasingly being shown to be so.
And some sad-sacks are still trotting out that mantra as though it was a mature response to anything. |
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To point out the obvious, during the referendum campaign it was repeatedly pointed out that we could end up significantly worse off if we opted to leave the EU. Despite this the pro-Leave portion of the population basically agreed to give the pro-Leave politicians a free hand to damage their standard of living. As such, it is a bit late for them to complain that they won't accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off, when they voted for it.
This is akin to ignoring all financial advice and giving someone a blank cheque and then getting upset at the amount the person fills in on the cheque. With the many "None of us Leave voters believed in the £350m" remarks there have been, perhaps there was an element of that during the campaign. |
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov
BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. Good lets have the 2nd referendum and get back to normal. |
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And so continues the downward trend of support for Brexit. I wouldn't like to be making decisions in government now.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov
BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. |
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Can anyone provide me with a link to the actual fundamentals of this YouGov poll? I can find nothing on their website at all.
Edited to say, I have found it on the Open Britain website which says "The poll is an online poll conducted by YouGov for Open Britain, which surveyed 1,615 adults in Britain between December 5th and 6th 2016. " Online polls have no credibility as they cannot be managed in terms of methodology. Where was the online poll held? The Guardian? Open Britain? Love the question as well: "What is the maximum amount of money, taking account of income, taxes and prices, you would personally be willing to be worse off by in order for the UK to leave the European Union – or would you not be willing to lose any money at all?" Desperation, the stench is strong. The sample is too small, it shouldn't have been done online, the weighting is all wrong and the ultimate result is that it's about 50/50 for Remain Leave anyway. The smallest amount of scrutiny on this poll makes it dissolve into irrelevance. |
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Whether it proves right or wrong to leave the EU the decision has been made. The problem I have at the moment is the constant accusation that people were not told leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market when David Cameron, George Osborne made it abundantly clear to the public that would be the case.
What hasn't been tested is proper examination on the EU side and if those countries who sell a great deal more to the UK than they import feel if the UK imposed tarrifs. On balance and looking historically at the EU position in agreeing deals with the world at large it does seem that Britain will be able to secure trading agreements with the rest of the world more easily. The reason it takes 7 years to agree a deal with Canada is 27 countries have to agree. Has it however prevented Canada selling goods to the EU or America or any other country outside of the EU? The real problem though is the stance the EU continues to take with freedom of movement, it is a commendable idea but in practice doesn't work. There is no use saying that Britain doesn't need immigration, it does, much of our services especially the NHS would collapse without immigration but it should be better controlled and that will be a growing concern for many EU countries coping with the pressure of increasing numbers. If the EU had recognised this and implemented a policy where all EU countries including the UK could control numbers based on a countries ability to accomodate numbers we would never have had a referendum. |
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It is amazing the amount of threads that appear day after day regarding Brexit and it's downfall.
All of them misinformed. |
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I would have a degree of respect for Brexit if the truth had been told, but it wasn't. We were lied to, deliberately and cynically. It's as simple as that.
I believe you voted Remain from most of your posts, so were you lied to? |
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No one was lied to.
I believe you voted Remain from most of your posts, so were you lied to? |
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The sample is too small, it shouldn't have been done online, the weighting is all wrong and the ultimate result is that it's about 50/50 for Remain Leave anyway.
The smallest amount of scrutiny on this poll makes it dissolve into irrelevance. |
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It's the Guardian FFS
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It is amazing the amount of threads that appear day after day regarding Brexit and it's downfall.
All of them misinformed. |
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Correct, apart from the 32million for the NHS, ...
what happened to the other 318 million??? Does nobody check the sofas any more?
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what happened to the other 318 million??? Does nobody check the sofas any more? |
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In the interests of balance, how much money would you be prepared to give up?
If you voted Remain, how much money extra in your personal account would it take you to change your mind to Leave? £0 - I would change now £100 £500 £1000 £10000 |
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Correct, apart from the 32million for the NHS, which can be interpreted as a promise or a suggestion, what other lies were we told?
Oh it is 32 million now is it! |
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We all await the real facts then, from your goodself.
We were all privy to both the Leave and the Remain campaign. Some voted on that and some didn't because they didn't believe any of them. As for the future please let me know what Crystal Ball you have that gives you facts of what will happen in the future. |
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I would have a degree of respect for Brexit if the truth had been told, but it wasn't. We were lied to, deliberately and cynically. It's as simple as that.
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I would have a degree of respect for Brexit if the truth had been told, but it wasn't. We were lied to, deliberately and cynically. It's as simple as that.
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Yes but the scare stories didn't frighten us Brexiters, the nonsense coming from the Remain campaign made us even more determined.
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Yes but the scare stories didn't frighten us Brexiters, the nonsense coming from the Remain campaign made us even more determined.
I say Obama, Juncker, Branson, Geldorf and the long list of Luvvies who threatened us did more for Leave than anyone could. I of course would always vote Leave. But I thank them for being so crass. |
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Of course, these polls are always 100% accurate, aren`t they ? A decision has been made, for better or worse and it now needs to be implemented as soon as possible. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. Another "Told you so" thread. Desperate or what?
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The British public, having voted for chaos, must now take whatever Work House Mistress May hands out after her minions have done their shifty work. Tough!
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1.Can anyone provide me with a link to the actual fundamentals of this YouGov poll? I can find nothing on their website at all.
2.Edited to say, I have found it on the Open Britain website which says "The poll is an online poll conducted by YouGov for Open Britain, which surveyed 1,615 adults in Britain between December 5th and 6th 2016. " Online polls have no credibility as they cannot be managed in terms of methodology. Where was the online poll held? The Guardian? Open Britain? Love the question as well: "What is the maximum amount of money, taking account of income, taxes and prices, you would personally be willing to be worse off by in order for the UK to leave the European Union – or would you not be willing to lose any money at all?" 3.Desperation, the stench is strong. The sample is too small, it shouldn't have been done online, the weighting is all wrong and the ultimate result is that it's about 50/50 for Remain Leave anyway. The smallest amount of scrutiny on this poll makes it dissolve into irrelevance. 2. i didn't look there, but I see you have unearthed some of the meat on the bone (ie: none). 3. Indeed. Still, keeps the same olders, same olding for another day or two. None of the actual real conversation regarding the poll and now the sample and loaded question matter shite to those that know better and treat such nonsense as the Gospel according to... well Yougov, open Britain and The Guardian. |
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what happened to the other 318 million??? Does nobody check the sofas any more?