|
||||||||
Poll suggests public will not accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off |
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#101 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 18,881
|
Quote:
1. Asked the same question a couple of pages back from the OP.
2. i didn't look there, but I see you have unearthed some of the meat on the bone (ie: none). 3. Indeed. Still, keeps the same olders, same olding for another day or two. None of the actual real conversation regarding the poll and now the sample and loaded question matter shite to those that know better and treat such nonsense as the Gospel according to... well Yougov, open Britain and The Guardian.
|
|
|
|
|
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
|
|
|
#102 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: 47°9′ S, 126°43′ W
Posts: 2,948
|
Quote:
The British public, having voted for chaos!
|
|
|
|
|
|
#103 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,751
|
I don't have a problem with people having doubts about yougov.....even if the evidence is sketchy. (We are waiting to discover if hundreds of polls taken in the 5 months leading up to the 2015 General Election were correct after all......)
But what exactly is controversial about the findings of this poll? Leavers who follow Politics closely and log onto a Politics Forum every day are saying that their position is rock solid and will not be revised even if there is an Economic consequence. Leave voters canvassed from the general public say they cannot accept a policy that will make them worse off. Both positions are exactly what I would expect. |
|
|
|
|
|
#104 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11,490
|
Quote:
I know of one person on this board who is a subscriber to YouGov. Beyond that, I have come across a dozen or so in my travels across other boards. The one on here is (or was) a Tory, almost all the others I know of come from the left of politics and they are rewarded for their poll contributions. I knew one guy who didn't really care how he polled, being more interested in the small contribution it made to his wellbeing.
![]() If so, then I'm one them. However, you can only complete surveys your invited to complete and I can't imagine anyone just completes them for 'wellbeing' |
|
|
|
|
|
#105 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 59,682
|
Quote:
I know of one person on this board who is a subscriber to YouGov. Beyond that, I have come across a dozen or so in my travels across other boards. The one on here is (or was) a Tory, almost all the others I know of come from the left of politics and they are rewarded for their poll contributions. I knew one guy who didn't really care how he polled, being more interested in the small contribution it made to his wellbeing.
![]() http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0fa55639dc1ae I wonder if he completed them seriously or put in some crazy answers just to throw off the results. Then again, Jezza could be serious and crazy at the same time... |
|
|
|
|
|
#106 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 5,840
|
Quote:
I don't have a problem with people having doubts about yougov.....even if the evidence is sketchy. (We are waiting to discover if hundreds of polls taken in the 5 months leading up to the 2015 General Election were correct after all......)
But what exactly is controversial about the findings of this poll? Leavers who follow Politics closely and log onto a Politics Forum every day are saying that their position is rock solid and will not be revised even if there is an Economic consequence. Leave voters canvassed from the general public say they cannot accept a policy that will make them worse off. Both positions are exactly what I would expect. 1. Commissioned by Open Britain 2. Full of leading questions 3. An online poll 4. A tiny sample I suggest that the findings of this poll mean absolutely nothing at all. |
|
|
|
|
|
#107 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11,490
|
Quote:
Jeremy Corbyn declared in his tax return that he made money from doing online surveys for ComRes and YouGov:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0fa55639dc1ae I wonder if he completed them seriously or put in some crazy answers just to throw off the results. Then again, Jezza could be serious and crazy at the same time... yeah, a serious answer by JC would seem crazy to most of us.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#108 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Exiting the EU.Hooray !
Posts: 1,505
|
Quote:
The British public, having voted for chaos, must now take whatever Work House Mistress May hands out after her minions have done their shifty work. Tough!
|
|
|
|
|
|
#109 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: A bunker
Posts: 5,962
|
Quote:
I know of one person on this board who is a subscriber to YouGov. Beyond that, I have come across a dozen or so in my travels across other boards. The one on here is (or was) a Tory, almost all the others I know of come from the left of politics and they are rewarded for their poll contributions. I knew one guy who didn't really care how he polled, being more interested in the small contribution it made to his wellbeing.
![]() Quote:
By subscribe, do you mean registered to complete surveys?
If so, then I'm one them. However, you can only complete surveys your invited to complete and I can't imagine anyone just completes them for 'wellbeing' Another pollster that has come up twice in recent weeks with an anti-brexit message concluded from the results and reported as Gospel by some MSM ... (can't remember the name... similar to Natcom, but not Natcom...) when I searched out the data behind the MSM story it was also the same polling story. Totally online polling, small sample, anyone who happened upon the site could enter input, blah, blah, blah... and yet there are real people, actual real people, actually surprised many of these polls turn out to be so BS. |
|
|
|
|
|
#110 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 912
|
Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov
BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. now we are being told we have to pay more council taxes to pay for thing that we thought our insurance stamps and rases of tax on our earnings was meant to cover. All the time we are paying taxes to companies that pay no taxes . |
|
|
|
|
|
#111 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11,490
|
Quote:
Funnily enough, when I was searching for the actual poll, data, question etc... a day or two ago and was on the Yougov site I was asked to complete an online poll (without registering) there and then, I assume as a result of the pages I was going through etc... I randomly ended up on the right (wrong) page. I completed the poll and in true 'buck the normality' style I did complete the poll questions (about 10 of them) giving complete and utter nonsense as my chosen answers. Just one example of why online polls are pointless, another being those that take them seriously and choose to spend serious thinking time completing them will probably have another set of bias.
Another pollster that has come up twice in recent weeks with an anti-brexit message concluded from the results and reported as Gospel by some MSM ... (can't remember the name... similar to Natcom, but not Natcom...) when I searched out the data behind the MSM story it was also the same polling story. Totally online polling, small sample, anyone who happened upon the site could enter input, blah, blah, blah... and yet there are real people, actual real people, actually surprised many of these polls turn out to be so BS. And it doesn't sound anything like a normal yougov poll which usually take a while to complete. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make regarding bias. They profile you, so know your interest and make a sample select based on that. You would have to have a pretty dull life to want to spend time filling out opinion polls with the wrong answers. |
|
|
|
|
|
#112 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: A bunker
Posts: 5,962
|
Quote:
I'm not sure judging others by your actions makes something nonsense.
And it doesn't sound anything like a normal yougov poll which usually take a while to complete. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make regarding bias. They profile you, so know your interest and make a sample select based on that. You would have to have a pretty dull life to want to spend time filling out opinion polls with the wrong answers. If you really want to learn why polls are generally rubbish, have a surf for why polling offers such nonsense. Plenty of data out there to add to my one + 1 example. Question(er) loading is the biggest issue (telephone/face to face polling)... to start you off on your pursuit of knowledge (which you won't take). |
|
|
|
|
|
#113 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Storbritannia
Posts: 28,916
|
Quote:
So the only logical option is not to Brexit at all then. Glad to see people are finally waking up - let's hope it continues before article 50 is invoked.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#114 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 59,682
|
Quote:
...or a Brexit option that retains single market access, customs union membership and Associated Country status for science and technical cooperation purposes. That would reduce the chances of any large scale negative economic effect.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#115 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 20,481
|
Quote:
...or a Brexit option that retains single market access, customs union membership and Associated Country status for science and technical cooperation purposes. That would reduce the chances of any large scale negative economic effect.
UK - "No thanks." EU - "Bye then. No cherry picking, remember?" |
|
|
|
|
|
#116 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 59,682
|
Quote:
EU - "Freedom of movement?"
UK - "No thanks." EU - "Bye then. No cherry picking, remember?" |
|
|
|
|
|
#117 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11,490
|
Quote:
...and there was me thinking for just one second you wanted a normal conversation. Should have known better. Read my post again, look for the words 'Just one example... and the rest of the sentence that followed it. Suddenely your first BIB sets Kidspud back off down the usual Kidspud route. Now your second BIB... well, coming from someone who posted they are registered with Yougov. Do you actually think your time spent there actually offers some importance to your dull life? Grow up kids.
If you really want to learn why polls are generally rubbish, have a surf for why polling offers such nonsense. Plenty of data out there to add to my one + 1 example. Question(er) loading is the biggest issue (telephone/face to face polling)... to start you off on your pursuit of knowledge (which you won't take). I never said filling out polls was dull, I said making up answers was dull. Do you understand the difference? |
|
|
|
|
|
#118 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear
Posts: 2,241
|
Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-yougov
BIB - just shows how little people knew about what they were voting for. |
|
|
|
|
|
#119 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: A bunker
Posts: 5,962
|
Quote:
Your tried to claim that online polls are invalid by using your own actions as an example.
I never said filling out polls was dull, I said making up answers was dull. Do you understand the difference? Here we are Kids, just like the last two times. Wasting all this time on another type of nonsense. Reply with whatever nonsense you wish, I will not respond again so you have free reign for whatever makes you feel better. |
|
|
|
|
|
#120 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Gateshead, Tyne and Wear
Posts: 2,241
|
Quote:
If 2016 shows anything it's that consensus predictions don't always work out.
Three of the four nations with the highest GDP per head in Europe are not in the EU. If the EU is so good for the economy why are the richest nations in Europe not members? |
|
|
|
|
|
#121 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 25,199
|
They should stick voting for SCD only then. These big life altering decisions come with consequences, in best case only temporary ones.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#122 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Storbritannia
Posts: 28,916
|
Quote:
If 2016 shows anything it's that consensus predictions don't always work out.
Three of the four nations with the highest GDP per head in Europe are not in the EU. If the EU is so good for the economy why are the richest nations in Europe not members? |
|
|
|
|
|
#123 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 5,173
|
Quote:
Yes, pretty much a semi-detached relationship with the EU. Keep all of the good things but just lose those troublesome MEPs. Sounds good to me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#124 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 11,490
|
Quote:
Bias and pointless, not invalid. Indicated by the use of the words bias and pointless in reference to online polls, but as you bring it up, I assume you feel polls aren't invalid (or biased or pointless) despite the last year of polling marvellousness by the greatest and best poll purveyors out there?. Do you understand how to have a conversation without being personally insulting? ... I'll answer that for you, no, because actual real conversation is not your game.
Here we are Kids, just like the last two times. Wasting all this time on another type of nonsense. Reply with whatever nonsense you wish, I will not respond again so you have free reign for whatever makes you feel better. And yes I do know how to have a conversation thanks, but I'm not sure I'll take lectures on politeness from the likes of you. I'll miss your Ill thought out responses. |
|
|
|
|
|
#125 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,746
|
Quote:
The UK as a whole has no say in the negotiations from now. It will all be down to HM Government. If they agree to freedom of movement then that's what you are going to get. There may be some further restrictions on claiming benefits or using public services but life will carry on just as before for anyone with a job or who can support themselves.
|
|
|
|
![]() |
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 20:05.



yeah, a serious answer by JC would seem crazy to most of us.