I know of one person on this board who is a subscriber to YouGov. Beyond that, I have come across a dozen or so in my travels across other boards. The one on here is (or was) a Tory, almost all the others I know of come from the left of politics and they are rewarded for their poll contributions. I knew one guy who didn't really care how he polled, being more interested in the small contribution it made to his wellbeing.

Is that the sort of chaos the EU is rife with?, not seeing it? try taking that blindfold off.

I don't have a problem with people having doubts about yougov.....even if the evidence is sketchy. (We are waiting to discover if hundreds of polls taken in the 5 months leading up to the 2015 General Election were correct after all......)

But what exactly is controversial about the findings of this poll?

Leavers who follow Politics closely and log onto a Politics Forum every day are saying that their position is rock solid and will not be revised even if there is an Economic consequence.
Leave voters canvassed from the general public say they cannot accept a policy that will make them worse off.

Both positions are exactly what I would expect.

By subscribe, do you mean registered to complete surveys?

If so, then I'm one them. However, you can only complete surveys your invited to complete and I can't imagine anyone just completes them for 'wellbeing'

Jeremy Corbyn declared in his tax return that he made money from doing online surveys for ComRes and YouGov:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0fa55639dc1ae

I wonder if he completed them seriously or put in some crazy answers just to throw off the results. Then again, Jezza could be serious and crazy at the same time...

It's controversial because it was:
1. Commissioned by Open Britain
2. Full of leading questions
3. An online poll
4. A tiny sample

I suggest that the findings of this poll mean absolutely nothing at all.

yeah, a serious answer by JC would seem crazy to most of us.

Your parallels with some Dickensian novel are fanciful to say the least. You would make your argument marginally more credible if you would explain why the EU saved us from TTIP. You continue to make idiotic statements with no consideration for the facts. How can someone who pays scant regard for the truth complain about being lied to ?

Funnily enough, when I was searching for the actual poll, data, question etc... a day or two ago and was on the Yougov site I was asked to complete an online poll (without registering) there and then, I assume as a result of the pages I was going through etc... I randomly ended up on the right (wrong) page. I completed the poll and in true 'buck the normality' style I did complete the poll questions (about 10 of them) giving complete and utter nonsense as my chosen answers. Just one example of why online polls are pointless, another being those that take them seriously and choose to spend serious thinking time completing them will probably have another set of bias.
Another pollster that has come up twice in recent weeks with an anti-brexit message concluded from the results and reported as Gospel by some MSM ... (can't remember the name... similar to Natcom, but not Natcom...) when I searched out the data behind the MSM story it was also the same polling story. Totally online polling, small sample, anyone who happened upon the site could enter input, blah, blah, blah... and yet there are real people, actual real people, actually surprised many of these polls turn out to be so BS.

We are told that we are now 10% worse off today all brought about by our own government and thats before we decided to leave the EU.
now we are being told we have to pay more council taxes to pay for thing that we thought
our insurance stamps and rases of tax on our earnings was meant to cover.
All the time we are paying taxes to companies that pay no taxes .

I'm not sure judging others by your actions makes something nonsense.

And it doesn't sound anything like a normal yougov poll which usually take a while to complete.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make regarding bias. They profile you, so know your interest and make a sample select based on that.

You would have to have a pretty dull life to want to spend time filling out opinion polls with the wrong answers.

...and there was me thinking for just one second you wanted a normal conversation. Should have known better. Read my post again, look for the words 'Just one example... and the rest of the sentence that followed it. Suddenely your first BIB sets Kidspud back off down the usual Kidspud route. Now your second BIB... well, coming from someone who posted they are registered with Yougov. Do you actually think your time spent there actually offers some importance to your dull life? Grow up kids.

If you really want to learn why polls are generally rubbish, have a surf for why polling offers such nonsense. Plenty of data out there to add to my one + 1 example. Question(er) loading is the biggest issue (telephone/face to face polling)... to start you off on your pursuit of knowledge (which you won't take).

...or a Brexit option that retains single market access, customs union membership and Associated Country status for science and technical cooperation purposes. That would reduce the chances of any large scale negative economic effect.

Yes, pretty much a semi-detached relationship with the EU. Keep all of the good things but just lose those troublesome MEPs. Sounds good to me.

EU - "Freedom of movement?"
UK - "No thanks."
EU - "Bye then. No cherry picking, remember?"

The UK as a whole has no say in the negotiations from now. It will all be down to HM Government. If they agree to freedom of movement then that's what you are going to get. There may be some further restrictions on claiming benefits or using public services but life will carry on just as before for anyone with a job or who can support themselves.

Your tried to claim that online polls are invalid by using your own actions as an example.

I never said filling out polls was dull, I said making up answers was dull. Do you understand the difference?

Project fear is coming back to haunt.

Bias and pointless, not invalid. Indicated by the use of the words bias and pointless in reference to online polls, but as you bring it up, I assume you feel polls aren't invalid (or biased or pointless) despite the last year of polling marvellousness by the greatest and best poll purveyors out there?. Do you understand how to have a conversation without being personally insulting? ... I'll answer that for you, no, because actual real conversation is not your game.

Here we are Kids, just like the last two times. Wasting all this time on another type of nonsense. Reply with whatever nonsense you wish, I will not respond again so you have free reign for whatever makes you feel better.

Norway has billions of barrels of oil, Switzerland has everyone else's money.

They should stick voting for SCD only then. These big life altering decisions come with consequences, in best case only temporary ones.

...but they (Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland and Iceland) do have a close economic relationship with the EU including access to the single market area. In other words, their policies are light years away from a destructive and isolationist loony tunes hard Brexit strategy.

What are the good things? I was waiting all campaign for the Remainers to tell us, I was sure they would, that the lead-up of threats of doom, destruction, fire and brimstone and a plague of locusts (or near enough) was to terrify us so they could then tell us of the shining future inside the EU we could look forward to and all the wonderful things they would do for us. It was a long wait. Still is.

I think polls should be taken into consideration along with lots of other things.

And yes I do know how to have a conversation thanks, but I'm not sure I'll take lectures on politeness from the likes of you.

I'll miss your Ill thought out responses.

I agree it is now down to government to negotiate the deal. One hopes that they consider that carefully because the result of the next election will be strongly influenced by it. If they negotiate a fudge then that may rebound on them.