Originally Posted by tiacat:
“I dont mean the referendum per se but more the complete and utter lack of any recognition or acknowledgement of what might happen or need to be put in place if 'leave' won?
Now whatever side you were on, or neither side, we have legal challenges here there and everywhere, no idea about what is right for the UK if we do eventually come out, how it will affect our rights as citizens.
He has achieved complete and utter breakdown in the UK.”
Obviously not. The fault is with the people who voted Leave, and the people who told lies to them. They voted for a collection of halfbaked ideas and lies, after the issues raised had been clearly laid out for them. They also believed people who told them we had a strong negotiating hand, when what we will get, is entirely down to what each EU state will give us. They also had no plan themselves , assumed they would lose , and ran away when the enormity of what they had done hit them. Its no wonder no government can tell voters what they will now get. We won't know , probably until the mid 2020s. Thats what happens when you jump off a cliff - if you don't believe in experts , the consequences only become apparent when you reach the bottom.
Nor could Government work out, in advance, what thedetailed impacts would be for the multiple possible options. It would likely be a nugatory exercise, and would have made Leave argue that the government was spending public money, building the remain case. Leave also had zero plan for anyone to look at the implications of, so there was no one case to explore in detail . . And the leave voters ignored all experts and projections anyway, so further work wouldn't have had any impact on them.
Cameron's government couldn't determine how things should be done in advance legally - without someone raiisng the legal issues in court. His legal assumptions were, as May, and government lawyers, suggested, - that government could act on its own. Nor would any PM want Parliament setting limits on their negotiating position, or to open the door to the Lords holding the process up, for months, or years. You wouldn't explore that legal process, until forced to by a court case. You don't test what works for you, incase the lawyers change what works for you. The current legal mess is largely caused by the anti-leave camp trying to derail the proces, and , Liberals. Labour, and the SNP , manouvering for political advantage, so they can blame the government for, when Europe rejects them.