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Will Cameron face any consequences for what he has done?
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Nick1966
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Projectionist:
“The only thing he did, was the let the Public decide the answer to a question that was splitting parliament & the UK in half - that's democracy for you. .”

David Cameron's legacy is a shop soiled referendum result.

The legislation setting up the referendum was shoddy. The legislation provided for a referendum that was neither legally binding nor was there any reference to Article 50 whatsoever. Nor was there provision for an exit process, in the result of a 'leave' vote.

The referendum campaign's project fear has been replaced by tautological or meaningless bluster. Before 23 June, there was the "punishment budget" or a collapse in the economy or unemployment. A hard or soft Brexit was never mentioned. After 23 June, it's been 'Brexit means Brexit' or 'Red, white and blue Brexit' and 'no running commentary'.

So now we have a referendum result unsupported by a government plan, process or policy. Mr Cameron was clear: a vote to leave the EU was a vote to leave the Single Market. But in her 5 months as prime minister, Theresa May hasn't once confirmed that the UK will be leaving the Singe Market. Voters are confused because the government is confused.

Moreover, the article 50 legal process for leaving is untried, untested and unknown. Little wonder that an ongoing UK legal dispute could be followed by a separate legal dispute starting in the Irish courts and going to the European Court of Justice.

As the Economist magazine predicts for the UK in 2017: "A compromise Brexit settlement will need popular ratification, either via a new referendum or early elections. Hardline “leave” voters will feel betrayed"

Either the process, timescale, sheer complexity, outcome or lack of a democratic right of reply will leave many fed up, frustrated or betrayed. There will be tears.
OvertheUnder
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by OLD HIPPY GUY:
“Had he had the leadership quality and humility to consider the possibility that he might lose, he could have put contingency plans and a strategy in place to deal with such an eventuality,
he could have had an exit negotiating team on standby perhaps even with himself as the head, under such circumstances he could have emerged from this debacle looking like a competent and strong leader rather than what he ended up looking like, an embarrassing (word I can't use) who has made us a laughing stock before the entire world.

Under such circumstances he could possibility have kept his job.”

If Cameron had in fact stayed on as PM, you would be the first on here to be foaming at the mouth saying he should resign as a failed later.
mungobrush
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“Yes I think this is my point, he ran off leaving the mess to others to clear up”

The U.K. Is not in a mess
Syria is in a mess

We were warned what would happen if we voted to leave the EU
We still voted to leave
Why are you wanting to blame this on David Cameron?

You voted for it.
Multimedia81
18-12-2016
This was in effect not just down to David Cameron. The referendum was in the Conservative manifesto so down to the party not just the leader. Many MPs even Labour MPs voted for the referendum. So, if anything we could blame all MPs who voted for the referendum.
B-29
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“I dont mean the referendum per se but more the complete and utter lack of any recognition or acknowledgement of what might happen or need to be put in place if 'leave' won?

Now whatever side you were on, or neither side, we have legal challenges here there and everywhere, no idea about what is right for the UK if we do eventually come out, how it will affect our rights as citizens.

He has achieved complete and utter breakdown in the UK.”

WTF as you taking?, A PM delivers on a manifesto pledge and what, we prosecute him for it !
Union Jock
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Multimedia81:
“This was in effect not just down to David Cameron. The referendum was in the Conservative manifesto so down to the party not just the leader. Many MPs even Labour MPs voted for the referendum. So, if anything we could blame all MPs who voted for the referendum.”

Don't forget all those who voted the Tories in at the last election, they knew a referendum was on the cards.
SULLA
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“He promised a referendum in the Tory manifesto and delivered that manifesto when a Conservative government was returned. He followed the will of the British people!

The utter mess we find ourselves in is all down to us, the great British public. This is all the will of the British people!”

What utter mess ?
Mr Oleo Strut
19-12-2016
I hope never ever again to see the slimy, false, grinning visages of Cameron and Osborne, May they vanish into the dustbin of history.
Resonance
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Multimedia81:
“This was in effect not just down to David Cameron. The referendum was in the Conservative manifesto so down to the party not just the leader. Many MPs even Labour MPs voted for the referendum. So, if anything we could blame all MPs who voted for the referendum.”

Yes, the commons voted overwhelmingly for the referendum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ct_2015#Origin

On the bill's second reading, on 9 June 2015, MPs voted by 544 to 53 in favour of the principle of holding a referendum with only the Scottish National Party opposing the Bill.

Which is why the idea by some that parliament is ever going to overturn the result is a pipe dream.
Penny Crayon
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by B-29:
“WTF as you taking?, A PM delivers on a manifesto pledge and what, we prosecute him for it !”

I don't think he can be blamed for the Referendum itself.

It was just so poorly managed. It's like there was no thought whatsoever - a straight yes or no vote with no plan or thought for the consequences.

It all seemed incredibly rushed, badly planned and put together on the back of a fag packet.
Resonance
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I don't think he can be blamed for the Referendum itself.

It was just so poorly managed. It's like there was no thought whatsoever - a straight yes or no vote with no plan or thought for the consequences.

It all seemed incredibly rushed, badly planned and put together on the back of a fag packet.”

Well it wasn't going to be until 2017 to start with. I think Cameron judged that holding it earlier was his best chance. He knew the EU army proposals were in the pipeline and that there would likely be more immigration, both from the EU directly and via the EU from the Middle east.

Who knows what would have happened if he'd waited until 2017? I don't think it would have made any difference tbh.
Landis
19-12-2016
On the Referendum, it was simply poor judgement.
Cameron was terrified of his own backbenchers and took the gamble on the numbers.

The problem was that Farage had 4 Million votes in his pocket. 4 Million people who believed him when he put out a leaflet in 2014 saying “Next year, the EU will allow 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK.”

When 4 Million people are buying that.....a referendum on the Eu was, and is, dangerous for the Prime Minister.

Beyond that....Cameron was a disaster. Even his lower ranking errors are borderline horrific.
For example.....his Drown an immigrant to save an immigrant policy.
Resonance
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Landis:
“On the Referendum, it was simply poor judgement.
Cameron was terrified of his own backbenchers and took the gamble on the numbers.

The problem was that Farage had 4 Million votes in his pocket. 4 Million people who believed him when he put out a leaflet in 2014 saying “Next year, the EU will allow 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK.”

When 4 Million people are buying that.....a referendum on the Eu was, and is, dangerous for the Prime Minister.

Beyond that....Cameron was a disaster. Even his lower ranking errors are borderline horrific.
For example.....his Drown an immigrant to save an immigrant policy.”

Nobody believed every citizen of Bulgaria and Romania would come here and nobody (including Farage) said they would. What was said that they would have the right to, if they so wished.
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