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Anyone else can't stand the Cliftons?
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Domestos
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“Mine too. She absolutely shone in the West Side Story pro dance.
I also love her personality, she's hilarious.”

A comrade at last!
VicsMum
11-12-2016
Shame on everyone who replied to the troll!

Didn't you learn by now that we should not feed them?
Dervlathedog
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“Shame on everyone who replied to the troll!

Didn't you learn by now that we should not feed them?”

Apart from cave trolls. The finest moment in Peter Jackson's sprawling mess of a trilogy* was the impulse of pity for those pallid ugly trolls in harness charged with opening the gates. Love for the unloveable.



*This is a lie. Anything Viggo Mortenson did was the highlight
Moany Liza
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“Shame on everyone who replied to the troll!

Didn't you learn by now that we should not feed them?”

Who doesn't enjoy a little troll-poking on a quiet Sunday afternoon?
Fuchsia Groan
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Apart from cave trolls. The finest moment in Peter Jackson's sprawling mess of a trilogy* was the impulse of pity for those pallid ugly trolls in harness charged with opening the gates. Love for the unloveable.



*This is a lie. Anything Viggo Mortenson did was the highlight”

Especially returning to Helm's Deep, wet and filthy and heaving those gargantuan doors open...............
Bless You
11-12-2016
They are ruining this forum.
Walter Neff
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Bless You:
“They are ruining this forum.”

Yes, almost as tiresome as the "Danny is a 'ringah" threads.
IvanIV
11-12-2016
Just wait when papa Clifton will replace Len as a head judge
madetomeasure
11-12-2016
Like a flock of vultures swarming down on their prey...some folk never learn
Moany Liza
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Just wait when papa Clifton will replace Len as a head judge ”

Well, if he does, which I doubt.... it will gladden the hearts of all the anti-Clifton posters, as Kevin, Karen and Joanne would not be able to participate in future.

And Pa Clifton would have to endure the outcry of the public when it became known that he had wrenched the very food out of his own children's mouths.
Nakatomi
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Which ones this series have they been front and centre of?”

Maybe not this series but in previous years there has been weeks of them being front and centre.

In Kevin's first year, they brought his mum and dad in and themed a dance around them. Sorry, but that is blatant favouritism.
Aurora13
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Maybe not this series but in previous years there has been weeks of them being front and centre.

In Kevin's first year, they brought his mum and dad in and themed a dance around them. Sorry, but that is blatant favouritism.”

So nothing really to complain about this year then. Just a pre-conceived bias and a desire to jump on anything that justifies this personally held bias.
Nakatomi
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Any perceived bias is all in your overactive imagination.

However you must be thrilled at the speculation (of which this is the first I've heard and will take with an enormous pile of salt as it sounds like utter nonsense) about Mr Clifton Snr replacing Len..... as this would make the position of Kevin, Karen and Joanne entirely untenable and they would not be able to continue on the show.

I somehow doubt though that their father would go out of his way to attempt to compromise the livelihoods of his own children. ”

Well it doesn't seem to be a problem in the US where Julianne Hough managed to judge her brother fairly for 4 entire seasons.
Annsyre
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by d56:
“They're actually ruining the show for me.

Kevin, although a decent dancer, couldn't get any smugger.

Karen, possibly the most annoying person on the show. (I've never seen anyone play up to the cameras more)

Joanne, also incredibly irritating, and a VERY average dancer.

Why is there such praise on them from the judges? Does Len know their parents or something?

For example, Louise's second dance last night was NOWHERE near as good as they made out, it was average, yet they praised her. If that would have been Danny and Oti, they'd have had something negative to say.”

They are each extremely talented and have contributed enormously to the success of the show. Long may they remain in it.
Nakatomi
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“So nothing really to complain about this year then. Just a pre-conceived bias and a desire to jump on anything that justifies this personally held bias.”

There's plenty to complain about. If you can't see there's a definite bias towards the Cliftons then you're not watching properly. Louise and Ore get away with things every other dancer would get marked down for. The only person who judges them fairly is Craig.
planets
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“
*This is a lie. Anything Viggo Mortenson did was the highlight”

Originally Posted by Fuchsia Groan:
“Especially returning to Helm's Deep, wet and filthy and heaving those gargantuan doors open...............”

had to delurk to agree with both these comments *relurks*
arddunol
11-12-2016
Are you a genuine poster d56 or a troll, having a laugh?
Some if your comments are bordering on libelous, by that I mean a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation or a written defamation and online postings are regarded as published.

Just enjoy the show, if 3 pro dancers exercise your emotions so very much , give yourself a break and switch over!
Monkseal
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“There's plenty to complain about. If you can't see there's a definite bias towards the Cliftons then you're not watching properly. Louise and Ore get away with things every other dancer would get marked down for. The only person who judges them fairly is Craig.”

I mean, the hubris...

Oddly enough, it's the people who dislike Louise where I most frequently look at their posts and wonder if they're watching the same programme as I am. And I'm a Danny voter.
Nakatomi
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I mean, the hubris...

Oddly enough, it's the people who dislike Louise where I most frequently look at their posts and wonder if they're watching the same programme as I am. And I'm a Danny voter.”

The thing is, I don't dislike Louise. She is a good dancer but she hasn't improved since about Week 5. No matter how much they say she has, she hasn't at all. If she was with a partner who could actually tone down his dancing to match her ability, like Aljaz or Pasha, she'd be brilliant. Unfortunately, Kevin has to show at all times how good he is and when his partner has reached their top level, his dancing like his life depends on it makes them look worse by comparison.
Moany Liza
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Well it doesn't seem to be a problem in the US where Julianne Hough managed to judge her brother fairly for 4 entire seasons.”

Well, given the attitudes towards the Cliftons on here, there is zero prospect that there would not be a huge outcry about it and no matter what, the anti-Clifton movement would NEVER accept any high marks as being fair.

I have absolutely no axe to grind against any of them but I think it would be wildly inappropriate for their father to become head judge on the show whilst his son, daughter and daughter-in-law were engaged in competition with their celeb partners.
Moany Liza
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“There's plenty to complain about. If you can't see there's a definite bias towards the Cliftons then you're not watching properly. Louise and Ore get away with things every other dancer would get marked down for. The only person who judges them fairly is Craig.”

You're imagining things.
Rhumbatugger
11-12-2016
I'm not a big fan of them or anything, but I like them.

They seem a jolly, straightforward, competent and skilled lot, particularly Kevin and Joanne.

Great pros and choreographers, and good fun.
bendymixer
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Well, given the attitudes towards the Cliftons on here, there is zero prospect that there would not be a huge outcry about it and no matter what, the anti-Clifton movement would NEVER accept any high marks as being fair.

I have absolutely no axe to grind against any of them but I think it would be wildly inappropriate for their father to become head judge on the show whilst his son, daughter and daughter-in-law were engaged in competition with their celeb partners.”

In the dance world a judge would leave the panel whilst a relative is dancing (up to cousin I think)
Domestos
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“The thing is, I don't dislike Louise. She is a good dancer but she hasn't improved since about Week 5. No matter how much they say she has, she hasn't at all. If she was with a partner who could actually tone down his dancing to match her ability, like Aljaz or Pasha, she'd be brilliant. Unfortunately, Kevin has to show at all times how good he is and when his partner has reached their top level, his dancing like his life depends on it makes them look worse by comparison.”

I think she would have disappeared into the background tbf. Kevin has brought her out of herself to some degree. And she has toned his over exuberance down, or he has to match her. It works.

However I do agree there are corrections in her dance he needs to push her to do. Namely floor spotting.

It was remarked upon how he was showcasing his partner at one point.
FingersAndToes
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Maybe not this series but in previous years there has been weeks of them being front and centre.

In Kevin's first year, they brought his mum and dad in and themed a dance around them. Sorry, but that is blatant favouritism.”

So you're complaining about something that happened once, years ago?
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